http://educationcenter2000.com/Trinsey-v-Paglario.htm

With Regards to Trinsey v. Pagliaro:

"Inasmuch as every government is an artificial person, an abstraction, and a creature of the mind only, a government can interface only with other artificial persons. The imaginary, having neither actuality nor substance, is foreclosed from creating and attaining parity with the tangible. The legal manifestation of this is that no government, as well as any law, agency, aspect, court, etc. can concern itself with anything other than corporate, artificial persons and the contracts between them."

"An attorney for the plaintiff cannot admit evidence into the court. He is either an attorney or a witness".

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The point is, you need to do court without using any attorneys to speak for you.

You need to stand in the form of a man or woman, present, not representing yourself = sui juris, not pro se.

You need to state the holdings of Trinsey v Pagliaro into the record.

When you do this, attorneys can't speak without shedding their attorney office. No more immunity.