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Comment by Barry Benj
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Where have you been Mike??? This is OLD news. It is obvious that you have not even looked at the abundance of credible information to the contrary. You are focusing on ONE video that may or may not be flares and the initial dis and mis-information, while ignoring the thousands of reports of actualy craft that traveled throughout AZ , New Mexico and Nevada on March 13, 1997 for many hours. We're talking about a mile wide, roof top V shaped object with rock solid equidistant lights that glided silently thruout an entire state for hours. Flares cannot do that!

Besides multiple craft compiled from hundreds of multiple reports to the National UFO Reporting Center , Village Labs, AZ MUFON & then Councilwoman Frances Barweel (which are brilliantly illustrated at http://www.thephoenixlights/GAP.htm), the unusual phenomena were around for weeks BEFORE the mass sighting. There is also photos and video to confirm. 

Do your homework man before jumping on board with the dis-information that has already been discredited by experts in the field years ago.

BTW the best example of how innane the 'flare theory' is when 3 air national guard units TRIED to re-enact the Phoenix Lights in March 2000 after announcing the "show" majorly in the media for days before. Not only was their lame attempt a major joke on the news, but it convinced the witnesses once and for all that the Phoenix Lights were definitely NOT FLARES.

The Phoenix Lights have also shown up for decades over other US cities, including the Lubbic Lights in the 60's, Hudson Valley in the early 80's and Stephenville Texas in 2008, plus other countries who have established the anomalous nature of these sightings including UK and Belguim in the 80's and 90's and St. Petersburg, Russia one month before the AZ 1997 incident.

Even the former Governor Symington, who was also military and a pilot, came forward a couple years ago to state that he witnessed the enormous Phoenix Lights craft with lights and it was not man-made.


Comment by Randal Soza
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 I can guarantee that they were flares. On the night that this happened, I was traveling to Las Vegas from Tucson. I took the I-8/Gila Bend route so as to bypass Phoenix. Why? Because Phoenix always has horrendous traffic. Well, I was just about nearing the point where you turn off I-8, onto the Gila Bend bypass, when I saw this series of lights overhead to my left. So I pulled over, grabbed my binocs, and looked directly at them. Right away I could tell that they were flares, because I could see the stream of smoke trailing from each one. They were dropping slowly, so I assumed they must of had some kind of parachute. Well, I didn't think anything of it, because I know that the land they were falling over was military land. Well, after arriving in Vegas, maybe a day or two later, I had seen the Phoenix lights story on the news, but I figured that since I wasn't the only one around Gila Bend who saw them, that the real story would soon be known. And then, some time later, I had read something about the flares, so I figured "case closed", but to this day, I can't believe all the people out there that are still trying to prove that the flare theory is wrong with their video analysis and photo reconstruction techniques. For anyone that thinks I'm wrong, or making this up, I will take any lie detector test that anyone wants to give me, pertaining to the Phoenix lights incident. Thank you.


Comment by James Gentekos
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Also you are leaving out the fact that these lights were in form.Sorry dude flares do not stay in a pattern.One may burn out faster or will flare a little less.Also,why not tell the public asap about the flares so no problems arise.Just ignore everyone, then release a bogus explanation later.Stop treating 1000s of people like they are stupid and do not know what they saw.Were you there?Where's your footage of the incident?Making a joke of what people saw is typical.Another thing before you make claims realize that some people work and manufacture different types of flares.:)


Comment by Anonymous
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The author shouldn't bake his cake in public and eat it too.

I like the PROVING part of the Phoenix Lights as flares and not U.F.O. But when the author inserts his Atheism on some people who saw the lights and BELIEVED their own findings that they weren’t flares but could be alien beings from outer space, that’s when this atheist author went kaput.

You see, only less than 1 percent or so of the people of the world including this objectivist or atheist author believed that there is no God or an Ultimate Supernatural Being or Supreme Creator of all things does not exist. On the shoulder of this Godless author lies the onus of proving that God doesn’t exist, just as he had successfully proven that the Phoenix Lights were not U.F.O. I wait with abated breath that he succeeds in this intellectual adventure.

And I shall sit at the edge of my chair till hell freezes over waiting for this author to prove that he was his mother’s son because he knew nothing about being his mother’s son before he was born. He just believed that he was, after being told that he was his mother’s son. His belief that he was his mother’s son, is the same belief of millions and millions of believers that God exists. What he should do is prove to me that he has his mother’s DNA, just I and other believers like me had proven that God’s DNA is in our soul. These parallel scientific proofs exist in different levels … one is in the spirit of man, the other on matter.

 

Comment by Ben Rigdon
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 Are you serious? Have you ever seen flares falling to the ground? The lights in the video and pictures look nothing like a flare, which puts off smoke and illuminates that smoke as it falls. Flares are also subject to being blown around by the wind which would ruin the formation of the triangular shape. Thousands of people reported an incredibly similar description of what happened and you cite a handful, if that much, of testimony to the contrary. You're also citing two alternative and contradictory explanations, not to mention the fact that one of those happens to "explain" a sighting that took place over a decade after the original "Phoenix Lights" video. Your article is the worst explanation or "debunking" that I have ever read. You should really take more time to think about something before you post it on the internet, because now you have ruined any chance of gaining respect or credibility from readers.


Comment by Anonymous
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Yeah ... just a flare. Like the thinking of the author about what he thought he saw with the Phoenix Lights among which was atheism, which was only a flux.


Comment by Randal Soza
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obviously, most of you don't read the comments. I clearly stated that was DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH the Phoenix lights, so was everyone else at the truckstop that night, not to mention the people that live in Gila Bend, and we all saw the same thing....FLARES! you're not gonna see smoke from 50 miles away, like the people who saw them in Phoenix, AND that's why their are in a sequential descending line, just like paratroopers dropped from an airplane. also, the military already stated that these flares were a NEW TYPE OF SLOW DESCENDING flare. See, I was there, I'm telling you a fact, (because I was directly underneath them), and there are STILL people that want to say they were "not flares".  

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