PureTrust, this is your response to what I have been telling you: "You kids are too much. They don't care about the destruction of a few of the herd. But like dairy farmers, they nurture and cherish the herd, so that they have something to milk. It's all about milking. And if the appearance of true love will help them get more milk, then that is what they will project. Wake up! Or are you part of their propaganda team?"

It is hard for anyone to make sense out of what you are talking about. You lost the subject of this debate.

You said that the subject of this debate is "all about milking". It is not, and never has been! In fact I have never talked to you about "milking" [???]. And I cannot waste my time talking to you about "milking". It’s not the object of my attention and way, way out of my concern.

I was talking to you about the subject of this debate, which is this distorted "freedom" to "buy and sell", drink raw milk and eating unpasteurized cheese products – this diabolic "freedom" to contact a disease and spread the epidemic of Salmonella, E. Coli and Listeria … "1,600 cases" on record "with 415 deaths per year in the US." This is what I am concerned about. This is the subject of the debate which in response you must either deny or accept it, and in denying or accepting it, you must support your position with opposite facts or contrary evidence.

Talk to anyone else about the subject of "milking" … not to me. I am not interested.

Since you are going farther and farther away from the clearly identified issue of this debate which is this weird "freedom" to contact and spread an epidemic by drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized cheese products, let’s end this up in a good spirit of friendship as we communicate to our readers the next issues defining the critical problems of this country.

You kids are too much. They don't care about the destruction of a few of the herd. But like dairy farmers, they nurture and cherish the herd, so that they have something to milk. It's all about milking. And if the appearance of true love will help them get more milk, then that is what they will project. Wake up! Or are you part of their propaganda team? 

Ha ..! ha …! he ..! he…! Professor. Back to the classroom where you made a joke of those of us who could not think straight. Remember Tommy who asked the question in class if his mother gave birth to him for the purpose of destroying him citing her divorce from his Dad? He had this bitterness but no wisdom … unable to understand that a mother gives birth to a child NOT TO DESTROY but to PROTECT that child. It was a blessing in disguise that you failed him in our class. Had you allowed him to graduate, he would have been in the wrong trade anyway…

To foolishly argue that FDA was created to DESTROY rather than protect the people is no different from your argument that the Government was created to DESTROY – not to protect -- the American people from local criminals and foreign invaders.

If you go to school and get a formal education, you will learn that in the science of Philosophy & Letters, this kind of distorted argument is called REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM! Learned Professors in the academe who specialized on this subject after long years of studies to obtain their PhDs, teach students how TO THINK STRAIGHT, let alone argue correctly, NOT TO ARGUE FOOLISHLY, either in a public debate or in daily life.

Anyway, whether or not – WE the greatest nation on this planet – had created FDA purposely TO DESTROY the people … OR whether or not our illustrious FOREFATHERS had created this GOVERNMENT purposely TO DESTROY the AMERICAN PEOPL [see how absurd this is?] IS NOT CONNECTED AT ALL to the statistical facts presented that "1,600 cases with 415 deaths per year in the US" due to the spread of Salmonella, Listeria and E.Coli …" after drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized milk products. This is what had happened under your "freedom" to "buy and sell" raw milk let alone in drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized milk products. Stick to this issue.

You either deny this data on record or confirm it – you cannot escape with a SQUID TACTIC that covers your track or cover the error of your position, under pain of being DECLARED IRRELEVANT …!!!

Medical deaths, FDA, Big Pharma... they are all connected to the same thing. The destruction of our health through drugs rather than the upholding of our health through nutrition.

At this point in history, death from "disease" would be greatly reduced by allowing people to strengthen their immune systems naturally rather than tearing them down through medical drugs and procedures... and corrupted, processed foods.

Everything unnatural that man does to avert natural catastrophe on a large scale, results in nature fighting back in larger scale down the road a few years. One major example of this is the fact that many of the antibiotics that worked well a few years ago, almost don't work at all today. Do your own research.

Sounds like some folks have been missing all the evidence in favor of nutritional health and against the FDA and Big Pharma that Ernie and Powell have been posting in FP.com.

And theirs is little compared with what is out there.

Check out nutritional health and all the medical doctors from around the world that are in favor of it over Big Pharma.

Also, you might check out I.G. Farben and whose buildings were saved in Frankfurt during our bombings of that German city near the end of WWII. Big Pharma was running our show then, and it is running it now... all for big profits at the expense of the health and well being of the people.

PureTrust, this is the thrust of your argument … trust me. "In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year" USA: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php"

Okay, does this change the statistical facts presented that "1,600 cases with 415 deaths per year in the US" due to the spread of Salmonella, Listeria and E.Coli …" after drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized milk products? You should direct your argument to only this – either deny it is true or confirm that it is true, then support your position why it is either true or untrue. Do not detour from the issue of this topic of the debate. Your "hospital deaths" due to medical errors, is NOT the issue here …IT IS NOT RELATED to the "freedom" to drink raw milk or eat unpasteurized milk products AT ALL.

Hey, it does not need to be true or real if what one is saying is a propaganda campaign against cops or the Government, does it?

"In Hospital Deaths from Medical Errors at 195,000 per Year" USA:http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

This is only what is being reported. It doesn't take into account all the degenerative disease deaths. Tip of the iceberg.

To Bakadude’s friend PureTrust: There is something very conspicuously missing here when you said: "What about the millions who die every year because of the corrupted foods they eat? Foods corrupted by processing that causes cancers, heart disease, diabetes, all the different forms of degenerative diseases, etc.. And all this just to line the pockets of Big Pharma who further our movement away from the healthy, natural foods, foods that strengthen our immune systems so that we seldom get the degenerative diseases, or any of the others."

These are heavy claims, declarations and accusations [i.e., against "Big Pharma"] WITH NOT A SINGLE LEG [no support of facts] to stand on to prove or indicate that these are all true or real … all coming from the imagination! You can imagine anything big … anything at all under the sun – sky is the limit – but it does not mean it is true … or real!

The "freedom" to "buy and sell raw milk", the"freedom" to drink raw milk and eat banned cheese products and with it the "freedom" to spread the disease and cause epidemic – you call that freedom to "defend" to the death? There is something terribly wrong in that process of thinking.

JV : Venny …Nice work! Good leveling of this mental hump on the pathway. My jaw drops to the floor after reading this elaborate comment labeling existing health statistics about these staggering numbers of dead and hospitalized as a result of "drinking raw milk and eating unpasteurized milk products" as – "UNFOUNDED"! Talking about this crap against the Government is a distraction … a self-denial of the truth to be able to launch a very obnoxious funky argument about freedom. Freedom …wwwhat!!?

What about the millions who die every year because of the corrupted foods they eat? Foods corrupted by processing that causes cancers, heart disease, diabetes, all the different forms of degenerative diseases, etc.. And all this just to line the pockets of Big Pharma who further our movement away from the healthy, natural foods, foods that strengthen our immune systems so that we seldom get the degenerative diseases, or any of the others.

Perfect landing on the wrong airport! What about those who were hospitalized and died after drinking RAW milk and eating UNPASTEURIZED milk products? "1,600 cases with 415 deaths per year in the US" due to the spread of Salmonella, Listeria and E.Coli …" that our national health authorities [FDA and State Health Departments] are trying to control.

The "freedom" to "buy and sell raw milk", the "freedom" to drink raw milk and eat banned cheese products and with it the "freedom" to spread the disease and cause epidemic – you call that freedom to "defend" to the death? There is something terribly wrong in that process of thinking.

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But if you say, Government is protecting the people from widespread outbreaks of disease by not allowing raw milk transfer and use, all you need to do is look at the history of raw milk use to see that this is unfounded.

Conversely, all you need to do is to research the millions of people that have died over the years from such things as mistakes made in hospitals by hospital staff, and legal drug overdose (and often simple, prescribed use), and then you will see that it is the FDA and Big Pharma who are the REAL destroyers of individual freedom. After all, nobody is free to so much as wiggle in the grave.

So then, it is a bunch of traitors-in-office, in the Government, who are using Big Government to do exactly the opposite of what Government was set up to do in the first place.