Larken Rose

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Terrorism: A Symptom of Government

What would drive someone to risk his life, maybe even intentionally give up his life, in order to blow something up and kill a bunch of people? It's an intellectual cop-out to just declare that "evil" is to blame, and to pretend that we don't need to understand any more than that.

As a mental exercise, consider the question of what it would take to make you resort to violence. Presumably, you wouldn't just kill people for fun, or because you're in a bad mood. There would have to be something happening that was so drastically wrong and unjust (from your point of view), and that nothing else was stopping, that you would decide that violence was your only option. Such angry desperation is, in most cases, caused by "government" action. This doesn't take much theorizing, since many terrorists openly advertise the fact that their actions are in response to some "government" military action or other "policy" that the terrorist sees as a horrible injustice. In other words, terrorism is almost always a byproduct of "government." When the proverbial "little guy" is being continually victimized by a huge, powerful, organized gang of thugs (e.g., "government"), that's when he begins to think that the only power he has left is the power to do harm.

Unfortunately, most Americans don't recognize that their own nationalistic, militaristic pack mentality is identical to the perspective of the "terrorists" that Americans love to hate. Consider "9/11," which the U.S. tyrants will be reminding you about quite loudly for the next week or so. Many Americans perceived the events of 9/11 as an abomination so horrible that the only acceptable response was bloody violence. The suffering and deaths of all those innocents was so heinous that the perpetrators (or those imagined to be the perpetrators) had to be destroyed by any means necessary! So far, that's understandable. But then comes the usual follow-up: "...and any country harboring those responsible would deserve the vengeance and wrath of our righteous war machine!"

Trouble is, that sums up the mentality of every terrorist in the world. Ironically, what drives people to that mentality is almost always someone else who has the same mentality. The classic terrorist wants to use violence and intimidation to coerce a foreign power into changing its evil ways. That's also exactly what the United States military does. Am I calling the U.S. military a bunch of terrorists?

Damn right I am!

The state mercenaries of this regime have the same short-sighted, irresponsible perspective as the state mercenaries of every other: "We are the good guys, our enemy is evil, our fight is righteous, and any collateral damage we cause is unfortunate, but necessary, and is ultimately acceptable because of our noble goal!" Sound familiar? That is the mentality of every "government" military, and every other terrorist organization in the world.

Not only does "government" cause terrorism; "government" is terrorism. In fact, in defining the term "terrorism," the only way the U.S. parasite class could make the definition not apply to itself was to put the term "subnational" in the definition. In other words, the United States tyrants define "terrorism" to mean a group that is not a "government," but that nonetheless has the gall to do what every "government" in the world does on a daily basis: using threats and violence to serve a political end.

The only way to break the cycle of violence is for people to grow up, and adopt a coherent, principled moral code that does not give exceptions based on statist mythology. For example, stealing is bad. If it's called "taxation," it's still bad. Murder is bad. If it's called "national defense," it's still bad. And so on. If people would give up the most dangerous superstition--the notion that a magical thing called "authority" can make bad things into good things--most of the world's problems. and almost all of the world's terrorists, would vanish.

Whenever someone claims to be doing something for "the nation," or for "the common good," or for "society," it usually means they want an exemption from morality; they want to be allowed to do bad things, in the name of some greater good. That's what every cop, every soldier, and every other terrorist does, under the guise of "national defense" and "law enforcement": using immoral violence "in the name of" something else, in the hopes that as a result, he won't be held personally responsible for his own actions.

On an individual basis, most people understand and accept that threatening people and using violence is justified only when used defensively. It's not okay to use force to steal someone's stuff. It is okay to use force to stop someone from stealing your stuff. It's not okay to violently assault someone. It is okay to use violence to stop someone from assaulting you. Yes, there can be occasional gray areas, but the general idea of the non-aggression principle is pretty simple.

So no, killing innocent people, because the regime they live under does bad things, is not okay. It's not okay if you're a middle eastern terrorist, or if you're a U.S. soldier. On the other hand, using violence to try to stop aggressors is justified, whether the aggressors are private or "government." (In most cases, trying to forcibly resist thugs who imagine themselves to be representing "authority" tends to be very hazardous and counter-productive, but that doesn't mean it isn't morally justified.)

The United States government, as it gets ever more oppressive and vicious, is going to force more and more people into positions where they see violent retribution as their only recourse. Any injustice can be made "legal," and those who resist "legal" injustice are always branded as "criminals." If they resist forcefully, they are also dubbed "terrorists." As long as the unthinking order-obeyors do as they're told, and violently impose the will of their masters upon the rest of us, there will be no chance of a peaceful resolution to the growing police state. I know of only two things that can make an agent of "authority" not obey an immoral order: 1) a conscience; 2) a bullet. And, with some notable exceptions (such as IVAW and Oathkeepers), I haven't seen much evidence of cops or soldiers having consciences.

(I still urge anyone who knows someone in the military or in "law enforcement," or who knows someone thinking of joining, to give him a copy of my book, "The Most Dangerous Superstition." You might just be saving his life.)

Given the current state of things, I view some sort of violent conflict between the parasitic ruling class and their human livestock as inevitable. That being the case, as the megalomaniacs in power make a dash toward totalitarianism, I hope the victims of state aggression retain the moral integrity to target only the actual aggressors, and don't adopt the viewpoint of terrorists and "governments" the world over: that it's okay to target innocents, in order to serve some supposedly righteous larger goal. Achieving a society without aggression is the larger goal; the largest goal of all, in fact. So when the time comes, aim carefully.
 

13 Comments in Response to

Comment by Steven Garren
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My 1966 Funk and Wagnalls College Dictionary has the no. 3 definition of terrorism as "a system of government that rules by intimidation." I've yet to find a better definition of our current form of government. Without major governments like ours terrorism as most people know it would be almost non-existent.

Comment by Anonymous
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Larken Rose has a problem I really want to help -- Bakadude

From Bakadude To Larken Rose … I should be discreet but direct to the point: The problem with you Larken Rose is that in your mind that thinks upside down [no doubt about it], you REALLY believed [I thought at first it was just a joke and I was truly amused and laughed at it] that millions and millions of Americans in this country who went to school to get themselves educated are "SLAVES".

Now seriously, you have the gall to call them "slaves" [!]??? That’s thinking in a wild and confused way [hanging upside down like a bat] -- which reminds me of my long years of experience in the practice of law -- akin to that moonstruck kind of lunacy in the defense of criminals awaiting a sentence to be hanged in the court of law. Watch your language and know why to millions of Americans [let me borrow this slang from the gutter] you made yourself a pain in the *…s. No offense intended. I say this with absolute honesty that I am just holding the mirror in front of you so that you can see yourself.

Since you are the only one who proudly claims that you are not a "slave" and the rest of us who went to school to get educated are, then by your admission you truly are not that kind of educated person like us. The knowledge we learned in school what Government is, and what it is all about, is not that kind of knowledge that you learned in the streets, or from others through your ears. If the "others" you learned from what Government is, are like you [this is true because you cannot associate yourself with the learned in the academe like me or with those holding Ph.Ds who in school had pushed their butt hard enough to become what they are], then in the eyes of millions of school-educated Americans you turned yourself into a confirmed "ignoramus". Again this is not personal. It is just a statement of facts.

That being the reality of your case, how can you relate your "expertise" in the subject of Government [actually more of an ax-grinding knowledge learned from the street – not in school -- against the Government] to people like us – or to millions and millions of school-educated Americans all over the country you branded as "SLAVES"? You must be kidding me! Find me a single Ph.D. guy who will agree with you that because you haven’t gone to school you are a free man, and he/she who had gone to school is a "slave". I will wait until the crow turns white for you to find me one. That’s the picture of your oddity.

In short, you have got to go to school first, and learn the knowledge I have about Government so that you will understand what I am saying.

For instance, you obviously don’ know or understand what kind of Government this country have that in exhibiting your outrage or madness in attacking it, want eliminated. There are different types of Governments. The kind of Government you want to bust out is one that to use your own less abrasive words "regulates [controls] nearly every aspect of public and private life." In kindergarten, we learned that you are referring to an abusive or repressive Dictatorship – falling under the category of "Totalitarian Government". The Government of the United States neither falls under this classification of governments, nor does it function like one.

It is also taught in grade school that in a Democracy that we have our Government is a "Constitutional Government" created or established by the "majority" of electorates. There is an explanation more erudite and a little bit more complicated than this simplification if I have to warp back to those early days spent in the academe. But I assure you that it is not the same to what Saddam Hussein put up in Iraq, or what Mao Tse Tung in China had created at the end of the barrel of a gun.

You see, Larken Rose – how would you know and understand this? This is only learned and understood by those educated "SLAVES", specifically by those millions of Americans except you, who have a school, college or university education.

I sincerely want to help you. Since our level of knowledge can never be the same in understanding what the importance of Government is to our Democracy, I surfed the Internet to look for a layman to speak to you in the only language that you can understand.

by internet...

Because people generally cannot be self-governing ... [the Government is important]. Everyone has different ideas of how things should be. It's a great question, because when you start thinking about that you realize how great the United States are. We are the only country where you have a say in how the government is run, you can question it, and we have a constitution that is a living document that can be amended and improved to meet the needs of the people as the needs change. It's all quite brilliant really, and I am so thankful for those that sacrificed for this nation to be what it is today. It's not perfect, but it is truly great.

by Jade M

Well, government keeps order and prevents the nation/country from going into a State of Nature. A State of Nature is when there is no government, and people survive on their own. Government creates laws, which keeps us safe. Without government, people could go on a killing spree without punishment. People could steal, and do basically whatever they want. In the U.S., we are so fortunate to have a government that gives us rights. However, some governments such as [those happening in] totalitarian and dictatorial governments can be bad, unfair and dangerous. But overall government keeps order and restores justice.

Source(s): I learned this in much of my education recently. Thanks to my educators.

My compliment … take care. Bakadude

Comment by Anonymous
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Larken Rose has a problem I really want to help -- Bakadude

From Bakadude To Larken Rose … I should be discreet but direct to the point: The problem with you Larken Rose is that in your mind that thinks upside down [no doubt about it], you REALLY believed [I thought at first it was just a joke and I was truly amused and laughed at it] that millions and millions of Americans in this country who went to school to get themselves educated are "SLAVES".

Now seriously, you have the gall to call them "slaves" [!]??? That’s thinking in a wild and confused way [hanging upside down like a bat] -- which reminds me of my long years of experience in the practice of law -- akin to that moonstruck kind of lunacy in the defense of criminals awaiting a sentence to be hanged in the court of law. Watch your language and know why to millions of Americans [let me borrow this slang from the gutter] you made yourself a pain in the *…s. No offense intended. I say this with absolute honesty that I am just holding the mirror in front of you so that you can see yourself.

Since you are the only one who proudly claims that you are not a "slave" and the rest of us who went to school to get educated are, then by your admission you truly are not that kind of educated person like us. The knowledge we learned in school what Government is, and what it is all about, is not that kind of knowledge that you learned in the streets, or from others through your ears. If the "others" you learned from what Government is, are like you [this is true because you cannot associate yourself with the learned in the academe like me or with those holding Ph.Ds who in school had pushed their butt hard enough to become what they are], then in the eyes of millions of school-educated Americans you turned yourself into a confirmed "ignoramus". Again this is not personal. It is just a statement of facts.

That being the reality of your case, how can you relate your "expertise" in the subject of Government [actually more of an ax-grinding knowledge learned from the street – not in school -- against the Government] to people like us – or to millions and millions of school-educated Americans all over the country you branded as "SLAVES"? You must be kidding me! Find me a single Ph.D. guy who will agree with you that because you haven’t gone to school you are a free man, and he/she who had gone to school is a "slave". I will wait until the crow turns white for you to find me one. That’s the picture of your oddity.

In short, you have got to go to school first, and learn the knowledge I have about Government so that you will understand what I am saying.

For instance, you obviously don’ know or understand what kind of Government this country have that in exhibiting your outrage or madness in attacking it, want eliminated. There are different types of Governments. The kind of Government you want to bust out is one that to use your own less abrasive words "regulates [controls] nearly every aspect of public and private life." In kindergarten, we learned that you are referring to an abusive or repressive Dictatorship – falling under the category of "Totalitarian Government". The Government of the United States neither falls under this classification of governments, nor does it function like one.

It is also taught in grade school that in a Democracy that we have our Government is a "Constitutional Government" created or established by the "majority" of electorates. There is an explanation more erudite and a little bit more complicated than this simplification if I have to warp back to those early days spent in the academe. But I assure you that it is not the same to what Saddam Hussein put up in Iraq, or what Mao Tse Tung in China had created at the end of the barrel of a gun.

You see, Larken Rose – how would you know and understand this? This is only learned and understood by those educated "SLAVES", specifically by those millions of Americans except you, who have a school, college or university education.

I sincerely want to help you. Since our level of knowledge can never be the same in understanding what the importance of Government is to our Democracy, I surfed the Internet to look for a layman to speak to you in the only language that you can understand.

by internet...

Because people generally cannot be self-governing ... [the Government is important]. Everyone has different ideas of how things should be. It's a great question, because when you start thinking about that you realize how great the United States are. We are the only country where you have a say in how the government is run, you can question it, and we have a constitution that is a living document that can be amended and improved to meet the needs of the people as the needs change. It's all quite brilliant really, and I am so thankful for those that sacrificed for this nation to be what it is today. It's not perfect, but it is truly great.

by Jade M

Well, government keeps order and prevents the nation/country from going into a State of Nature. A State of Nature is when there is no government, and people survive on their own. Government creates laws, which keeps us safe. Without government, people could go on a killing spree without punishment. People could steal, and do basically whatever they want. In the U.S., we are so fortunate to have a government that gives us rights. However, some governments such as [those happening in] totalitarian and dictatorial governments can be bad, unfair and dangerous. But overall government keeps order and restores justice.

Source(s): I learned this in much of my education recently. Thanks to my educators.

that we have our Government is a "Constitutional Government" created or established by the "majority" of electorates. There is an explanation more erudite and a little bit more complicated than this simplification if I have to warp back to those early days spent in the academe. But I assure you that it is not the same to what Saddam Hussein put up in Iraq, or what Mao Tse Tung in China had created at the end of the barrel of a gun.

My compliment … take care. Bakadude

Comment by Anonymous
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To PureTrust … Yours: "… all us sissy libertarians become so upset with what he [Bakadude] says, that we actually start to become motivated to do something about it." Thanks Pure… you are the only one in Freedom Forum whom I always look at pure and trustworthy [whom I neither thrust nor thrash]. You and Rose have the same gifts – yours from the Light, and his from the Darkside. Use yours like I do use mine … together with could make a big difference.
Yours: "It's true, Baka, that we don't really know where your heart is. But all this prodding of yours is making us angry, and, it is making us think." Trust, my heart is in the light I switched on for those in the dark to see their way out of their mental as well as emotional predicaments, especially for those when they argue attempt to sound intellectual when they couldn’t, or by their very nature or by their inborn limitations, can never be.

When I make you angry because you saw the light I switched on for you to see but you don’t want to see, do I have to apologize for that emotional problem? All I can declare to you with the highest degree of assurance is that to make anyone angry or to hurt anyone when I argue in court or in public forum like the debates I have had in the UN, never dwells in my mind. My mind is pure that’s why I am calm and very calculating when I analyze a problem and argue a solution. I have gotten rid of this mean-spiritedness that causes panic since I was a little layman just about the time when I went to school for the first time and got educated. To get educated in the street is good but really not that great especially when you end up like Larken Rose.

Comment by Anonymous
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Sorry guys, my link won't come up, but check me out on facebook (Yorky with a blue frisbee in her mouth) and It is on my wall.  God bless.

 

 

Comment by Anonymous
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Our constant state of war keeps our constitution moot.  Lawyers know this and fail to tell us as a part of their oaths and allegiance to Britain.  So basically, they assist the global mafia that we can refer to as Rothschildism.  Zionism... communism... all the same thing really today.

 

 

Comment by Anonymous
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Great job on the article Mr. Rose.  I agree with a lot of what you say.  Along those lines, a lot of people do not realize that the Anti-Defamation League ("ADL") was designed in 1913 with the CORRUPT Federal Reserve (a system designed to where debt is never paid and property eventually seized):  It legalizes terrorism against local dissidents who disagree with the Zionist regime.  Amazingly, Zionism, while federally supported today, is synonymous with the New World Order and absolutely incompatible with the constitution.  We have an even greater problem with the corporatization of government agencies, where inherent conflicts of interest exist misappropriating our funds to criminals, that results naturally in our current police state.  

 However, this does not mean that "less government" should allow corporations less accountability.  It is not that simple.  That is like letting big fish eat up all the little ones... That is what makes monopolies.  Zionism's incestuous non/separation of church and state through 501 (c) 3 regs. allows for big fish to eat the little fish and in-auditability (and unaccountability for crime) while having unfair advantages to the little guy in business.  The Mormon church is an excellent example of a corporate tax-exempt front for big business.  Now they are getting federal funding (1.5 billion to be exact) to enhance the spying of Americans.  Now that will be good for their businesses...  I have often wondered, as a former Mormon, why our taxes go to Ogden Utah...  I do know that it is a Masonic/Zionist institution and lets remember who the original racist slave traders were.  Not heroes like their media monopolies suggest. 

 

Comment by Ed Price
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Wasn't there a time when communist China forced many of their people to wear uniforms, even when they weren't in the military? Those people were too stupid to govern themselves. They needed Government to tell them what to wear, how many ounces of water to drink each day, what foods to eat and when, and they should have told them how many breaths of air they could take each day.

Actually, in the U.S., the people who are regulated the most are in the military. So someone is trying to say that the American military personnel are so weak-minded that they need all this guidance? But who guides the guides?

All people, individually, are a Government unto themselves and their families. Everybody who tries to govern outside the family will ultimately cause harm and damage to those they attempt to govern.

The American United States Government was an experiment. And the experiment worked well when the Government kept its hands out of the lives and the pockets of the people. Now that it is messing in the peoples' pockets and lives, it is doomed, and is bringing disaster on the people, as well.

Comment by Ed Price
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Now, now. Be patient with Baka. After all, he is almost there. "Terrorism Is Not A Symptom of Government But of a Sick Mind" inside Government.

Actually, Baka is terrific. Most of us libertarian-types are a bunch of sissies, sitting around in bars, talking about all the evils perpetrated by Government. But that's all we do, until Government comes and takes us away "to a land like your own, a land of grain and new wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of olive trees and honey." And then we are slaves.

Baka vehemently spouts Government-style rhetoric within our hearing. It is so full of Government lies and BS, that all us sissy libertarians become so upset with what he says, that we actually start to become motivated to do something about it.

It's true, Baka, that we don't really know where your heart is. But all this prodding of yours is making us angry, and, it is making us think. So keep it up, ol' buddy. It's your saving feature, no matter whose side you are really on.
 

Comment by Larken Rose
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Just curious, Bakadude. Do you think people who lived in Nazi Germany should have been proud, law-abiding taxpayers, or do you think they should have done whatever was necessary to undermine and destroy the Third Reich? I want to see if there is ANY situation in which you would approve of forcible resistance to evil done in the name of "law enforcement"?

Comment by Larken Rose
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I love how Bakafascist has to change everything I said in order to counter it. I didn't say killing innocents was normal or justified. I said the opposite. It is wrong when private individuals do it, and wrong when people pretending to represent "authority" do it. The latter happens many hundred times more often than the former. The point is that, even when unjustified, terrorism is usually a response to "government" action. Even if, for example, you except the feds' version of what happened in Oklahoma City, it was "GOVERNMENT" VIOLENCE (the mass murder in Waco) that supposedly drove McVeigh to do what he did (or what the feds pretend he did). So thanks for proving my point. It is frustration, anger and desperation that lead to terrorism, and "government" is usually the cause of that frustration, anger and desperation.

Comment by David Jackson
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 What a load!

  There isn't anyone on this planet any more opposed to the BS that passes for governance, especially in the U.S., than I. but this is about the most moronic, infantile rant I've seen.

  If there was even a miniscule probability that people could govern themselves, I'd say shitcan every government on earth. However, since such is not even a gleam in the eye of the most rabid anarchist, we NEED GOVERNMENT. Unfortunately, all we get are a bunch of elitist pukes, who've never had an original thought in their live, and who'd sell their first born children (likely have) for a "seat at the table" of abuse, perversion, and vile despotisim. To one extent or another, most governmental "systems" are functional, though many are shortsighted and are based on human suffering and "enslavement". In the U.S., we've been fortunate to have the foundations of a government that has the potential to offer the "best for the most" and, when led by intelligent and  thoughtful men and women of honor and integrity, tend to the basic needs of anyone who is left out or unable to keep up.

  Government is not a problem. The people who vote for the people who pervert the processes and the system are the problem. In the U.S., we have been betrayed. And, the end result could very well be our forced subjugation AT THE HANDS OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MILITARY APPARATUS that has been hijacked and co-opted by the pathetic misfits who are the "system". We have a handbook for all of this; it's called the Constitution. If you don't believe we've been lied to and screwed-over, try reading the doculment.

  Soldiers take the same oath as do congresspeople and other "sworn" officials. Most will follow orders, if for no other reason than they are "good for their word" - Show me a politico who can truthfully claim such status!

  We are in deep ----! We aren't going to get out of it intact!

Comment by Anonymous
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Terrorism Is Not A Symptom of Government But of a Sick Mind

Contrary to this view of the world upside down, in fact Society badly NEEDS a big, capable and responsible GOVERNMENT to protect citizens from terrorists with this kind of mental disorder.

Erroneously describing the murderous intention of the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh and their kind of insanity to kill Americans as an act of justice or calling the public shooting madness of the likes of loner Jared Lee Loughner "normal" -- for seeking redress of society’s imagined wrongdoing -- must be coming from their company in a Nuthouse.

Calling the State’s or Federal Government’s execution of die hard criminals or the killing of Osama bin Laden, erstwhile head of international terrorism, or the murder of innocent Americans committed by the above-cited bunch of whacko as an act of "terrorism" no different from Al Qaeda’s terrorism, can only come from one whose mental disorder cannot differentiates right from wrong.

This hatred of Government that consumes the soul and turn humans to act like dangerous animals of the wild amazed me. Blinded with insuperable rage, this supposedly two-legged rational creature called Man could no longer reason out the difference between right and wrong. Instead what is wrong is philosophically perceived as right, especially by those whose view of reality is upside down while they stand on their heads up. Thus we hear the preaching of violence and murder coming from headless "freaks" that talk and kick with their two feet people mistake as heads over their shoulders.

The preaching of violence, specifically spreading the gospel of mayhem and murder is more worrisome and more disturbing than just expecting Al Qaeda to do another 911, probably again in New York or if not, most likely in Los Angeles. This call to arms which is addressed to all lawbreakers to shoot cops dead as a matter of right like what this particular guru of violence from the farthest end of anarchism Larken Rose preaches in the Internet is not only subversive but actually a suggestion of a confirmed sadistic anarchist that all Americans should accept their ill-fated destiny and should endure life in hell.

The chance of survival when anyone listens to this kind of devil’s advocate and decides to shoot-it-out with cops or law enforcement officers is Zero or negative. I have a good run of commentaries published on freedom websites like FP.com that highlight this no-win-win situation. I gave permission to some accomplished journalist friends to use my commentaries wherever they could find them, anytime they want. The SWAT-Team-killing of an ex-Marine Jose Guerena who was involved in drug-trafficking and other criminal activities that attempted to confront raiding law enforcers with an assault rifle is a good example of how those holy monks of violence had succeeded in luring the gullible to their violent death.

What these Satanic soul-takers from hell actually do is throw their victims under the bus. Their psychologically taken disciples of murder like this mental-drifter Jared Lee Loughner and those deadly rightist extremists I have just mentioned, had killed randomly with a totally distorted belief that individual freedom includes the right to shoot and kill anyone anytime one pleases, preferably politicians or people in the Government those anti-Statist thugs hated deep down the marrow of their bones, but only to die, bringing a shameful death to their grave, mocked by an ignominious tombstone not only for themselves and their folly but also for the embarrassment of their love ones, their children, family, relatives and friends. Their infamy tarnished the image of this country as a nation of uncontrollable violent anarchists, which may be described as no better than a bunch of psychologically dysfunctional revolutionary nihilists whose carnage is orchestrated by the enemy within and led by those mentally retarded and despicable cowards.

 

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