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Comment by Laura Borst
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Frequently, authoritarians act like they are trying to "help" people. The way governments or other authoritarian forces control and repress people is not so much by doing direct violence to them or ordering them around, but by "helping" them and making them dependent on such things as the government. This is likely what is happening around the "health care" situation. Sometimes, governments that oppress other people often claim to be "helping" them. There are many women who were given birth control, but not because they wanted it. This happened under the Nazis. The term "Nazi" is an acronym for "National Socialist". 


Comment by Boston Releigh
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This comment right below is full of distortions if not so stupid. Only the mentally disturbed cannot understand what Government is. Governments are the people themselves, organized to help themselves and protect themselves from predators. It is ludicrous and nonsensical to say that the people organized themselves into a Government in order to "control and repress" themselves! It does not make sense, does it … does it?

If you are one of those who want to destroy the Government, let me give you a piece of advice you need so badly – you will NEVER succeed. The people will help themselves in seeing to it that they get rid of you and your kind and erase from the face of the earth any remnant of your insane Libertarian perspective.

You really believed that the most democratic, liberty-inspired and freedom-guided Government in the world that erected the world's famous Statue of Liberty – the U.S. Federal Government – is a Nazi Government.

Wake up. It is not, and it can never be because in WWII it is this Government of freedom that defeated Hitler’s Nazi Government. Hello … hellowww … are you still there? Were you born just an hour ago and immediately wrote down your out-of-this-world comment?

By the way, this Government protects women, from those who are making a war against women. It is quite the opposite of your twisted thinking, this I have to say right in your face, if you don't mind.


Comment by Steve Duncan
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This writer portrays the opposite of reality. I refused to give dignity to this crap by declining to go on reading. I stopped no farther than the middle of it, and saved my time for doing something useful.


Comment by Bob Ross
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Thanks for the comments, everyone. I appreciate your engagement, but have to admit that there is a misunderstanding of history fueling your disagreements. You see, I want people to be free, and believe they can rule themselves better than some bureaucrat. To the person who thinks this government valiantly defeated the Nazis, you should look into who inspired Hitler to enact eugenics on his own people---American scientists. The US government sterilized over 60,000 of it's own people prior to WWII for being "feeble-minded" aka darker skinned. This is backed by fact, not some nationalistic fervor emanating from flag worship.

As a former pro-choicer, I am familiar with all the arguments for "women's rights" and abortion. But, anyone who is serious about their defense of organizations like Planned Parenthood needs to do some real research. Margaret Sanger was a blatant racist, and spoke at KKK rallies as late as the mid-1960's. There is photographic evidence of this, and I would also say that you should watch the documentary Maafa 21 lest you continue to embarrass yourselves with your lack of knowledge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASrFufnMNDg

And by the definition of fascism (national socialism), the US accurately fits into that category as you have corporations mingled with the State (socialism) and a fervent desire for flag/troop/politician/State worship called nationalism.

For the person who quit reading halfway through, those blinders and earmuffs will serve you nicely if you want to continue to avoid the truth that our president is a warmongering murderer, just like his predecessors. When you have some valid criticism, get back to me. Otherwise, don't call yourself a feminist if you think bombing women in other countries is morally acceptable. You oppress women when you vote for either candidate, and are refusing to see the truth right in front of you.


Comment by Ed Price
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From Meghan Kinetic's comment: "You see, I want people to be free, and believe they can rule themselves better than some bureaucrat." Being free is a real trick. How does one do that, be free, I mean?

A simple example of what I mean is Bonnie and Clyde. They took the freedom of a whole lot of people away when they gunned the people down. How could they do it? The people were not prepared to maintain their own freedom. Not with strength, that is.

Or look at the Mafia, for example. Mafia gang lords have taken the freedom of many people away. How could they do it? Are Mafia people super human? No! It's just that Mafia people are not focused on freedom. There focus is on power and gain.

Imagine that you are a freedom-loving person, one who would never want to take freedom away from anyone. It is extremely difficult to maintain one's own freedom without denying freedom to someone else a little at times, accidentally. Simple misunderstandings, or carelessnesses can cause offenses. And this takes freedom away a little.

If everyone wore a gun when off his own property, if it were a law, then there would be enough wide-awake respect of other people in public that freedom would reign. But there would still be misunderstandings once in a while, misunderstandings that would turn into flares of anger, and then into gunfights. Somebody's freedom would be taken away. An innocent bystander's freedom might be taken away, as well. The old West.

Regarding a woman's freedom with a man, is there ever a time when the limited extra freedom that the couple give each other is accidentally or intentionally trodden down by one or the other? All the time! But it is often forgiven automatically, without a word, and without the other even knowing that he or she had limited the partner's freedom beyond what should have been done.

Does Government help at all with any of the above? At times, if it is a good form of government. Otherwise, Government only takes more freedom than it gives. Government becomes the destroyer of the freedom it is supposed to maintain.

No matter, if people live near other people, they will always be taking freedom from others at least a little. Limited Government is best. And the only way to limit Government is for everyone to wear the biggest, most powerful guns he/she can carry. And to maintain a healthy attitude in this kind of life, people will need to cultivate love, forgiveness, patience, and respect of each other... all with eyes wide open all the time.

It's a good trick. But that's the way the Swiss are doing it.

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