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The Good, The Bad and What Should be Ignored

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Freedom's Phoenix's policy has been to encourage participation on any issue and to stay out of the way. But Paul Rosenberg has pointed out a mind trap that we should avoid.

We at FreedomsPhoenix have a policy of allowing sincere participants to have their say and allow more free speech to counter irresponsible speech. Opinions are widely tolerated as long as they are not argumentum ad hominem attacks that devolve into a useless exchange that doesn't address the core issues raised.

"The Third Rail Israel"

Israel's relationship with the U.S. is interesting and illustrative in many ways, but Paul's point is very important and should not be ignored or belittled. I see the trend of posts allowed here on FreedomsPhoenix, and they come and go in waves. Issues involving the MiddleEast often are linked to criticisms of Israel's policies and the relationship that Israel's government has with the USGovernment (USG). I've often heard that those you are not allowed to criticize are destined to rule you (or some such variant) but I think the point that Mr. Rosenberg is making is that we are allowing ourselves to be diverted from a productive and enlightened path by simply paying too much attention to the darkness when the lighting of a candle is far more... enlightening.

When we allow ourselves to get into the mind set that Nation States should behave one way or another we often don't realize that we are advocating for 'statism that we approve of'. The most articulate argument against Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's tyranny missed many opportunities to challenge the government offices that would later allow for the continued abuses that their replacements were all too eager to expand on.

The focus on any single government's actions often gives the impression that governments not engaged in similar behavior is somehow more legitimate. They may indeed intend to rule their livestock more 'humanely' but they do intend to rule them and harvest them when needed.

To counter many of the 'negative vibes' in the news, and on the pages of FreedomsPhoenix, you'll notice a great deal of inspiring news about new technologies and old values, but I'm encouraging our regular Columnists and Reporters to focus on the inevitable nature of all governments with the use of specific examples, but to focus on any one government's evils misses the overall understanding of where the real problem is… our support of "Good Government".

6 Comments in Response to

Comment by Ed Price
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With regard to GrandPoobah's comment, below:

No, it's devolution, not evolution that "makes people authoritarian and stupid." There isn't any evolution among people. Until people accept things the way that they are, that God created people perfect, that they intentionally tossed away that perfection, thereby falling into devolution, that they have been devolving ever since, there's little chance that people will ever be able to learn truth.

It is like an ant farm. The ants live in the ant farm, basically unaware that they are outside of their natural habitat. They think that the things that they are doing in the ant farm is all that there is in the world. People watch them through the glass.

Comment by Doug Nusbaum
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Last line from Feynmans minority report on the challenger: Nature cannot be fooled" Of course, what exactly nature is, and what constitutes fooling here viz. anti-biotics vs vaccines, are questions that should probably not be ignored. Still, we need to understand nature and ourselves if we are going to even begin to understand how people should and will conduct their affairs in groups. I maintain that evolution makes people authoritarian and stupid. By stupid I mean unwilling or unable to learn new information from their own experience as opposed to an authority that they recognise. Here is a 6000 word essay on the topic. If you can find errors in information or logic, I would appreciate it if you would respond there or to me directly. Preferably both

Comment by Ed Price
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The comment immediately below is correct. But the implications are disastrous. After all, in it's basic form, government exists in the form of one person. Every lone person governs himself/herself. Thus, to get rid of government altogether, we need to get rid of people altogether.

In response to this, God has given us the Bible and His laws, not only so that we can voluntarily follow laws that are righteous, but that we can find the path to everlasting life. We are not our own for creating Government or destroying it. We are only for upholding it according to the mandates and dictates of God's Word, the Bible.

Don't listen to what others say the Bible is telling us. Get into it and see for yourself what God is telling us. Bible gives us the way for the best self-government: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

Comment by Kitty Antonik Wakfer
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All Governments/States are coercion-based and therefore cannot be "good", nor can their edicts/mandates/laws/regulations/etc be "good".

Comment by Ed Price
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Interesting site listed by DC Treybil, below. If Tesla power were given, small scale, to all the people rather than to governments alone, the people would have arms way stronger than governments.

Great points mentioned by Ernie, above. Where is the point that people start believing something into existence simply because they have knowledge of it? Focusing on the bad often takes the eyes off good solutions.

Comment by Dennis Treybil
Entered on: Maybe Keshe is about to make government totally irrelevant. DC Treybil

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