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10-13-17 -- Kathy Inman - Theo Chino -- (MP3 & VIDEO LOADED)

Kathy Inman (Executive Director, MomForce AZ) provides an update on marijuana/cannabis in Arizona - Theo Chino provides an update about challenging New York's bitcoin regulation and provides an update on his case; Update on Morpheus
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Guests: Ernest Hancock
Media Type: Audio • Time: 58 Minutes and 28 Secs
Guests: Kathy Inman
Media Type: Audio • Time: 104 Minutes and 0 Secs
Guests: Theo Chino

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Guests: Ernest Hancock

Hour 1 - Freedom's Phoenix Headline News

Hour 2 -- Kathy Inman (Executive Director, MomForce AZ) provides an update on marijuana/cannabis in Arizona

Hour 3 - Theo Chino provides an update about challenging New York's bitcoin regulation and provides an update on his case; Update o n Morpheus

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October 13th, 2016

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Hour 1

2017-10-13 Hour 1 FP Headline News from Ernest Hancock on Vimeo.

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Freedom's Phoenix Headline News

Hour 2

Media Type: Audio • Time: 58 Minutes and 28 Secs
Guests: Kathy Inman

Hour 2 - Kathy Inman (Executive Director, MomForce AZ) provides an update on marijuana/cannabis in Arizona


Hour 2

2017-10-13 Hour 2 Kathy Inman from Ernest Hancock on Vimeo.

Kathy Inman

Kathy Inman is the Executive Director of MomForce AZ.  She has been an advocate for cannabis and other social issues since 2003.  As a woman raised with a respect for life, a mother who wants to keep kids safe, and an Arizonan for personal liberty and less government intrusion, she has taken her questions about cannabis to officials across the state. She understands there are many social issues of great importance, but believes not one of them has touched every aspect of our society the way cannabis prohibition has.

Executive Director of MomForceAZ


About MomForceAZ...

MomForce AZ was established to address the very obvious questions regarding addiction, toxic substance abuse, and the over-prescribing of legal pharmaceuticals that has kept our country on a cycle of addiction for decades. 

Since 2008, I have organized and lead various pro-cannabis organizations. When my child went through school, I was reminded of my time in high school and college. I remembered who got in the most trouble, and who lost their life from experimentation. I never wanted a mom to get the call that their child overdosed from alcohol or prescription drugs, and I felt a moral obligation to speak up. I knew I could save lives by talking about the non-toxic alternative to these- marijuana.  I would be standing up for those who would not speak out for fear of losing their home, job, children, or freedom. For many years, I stayed silent for the same reason. I have tried to break the stereotypes associated with cannabis (marijuana) and create a place where folks feel comfortable talking about their use, and bold enough to tell their friends. From starting the Phoenix chapter of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws in Phoenix in 2008, to serving as State Director from 2012-2014, I am confident that I speak for the majority when I say "Arizona is Sick of Prohibition". 

People are improving, extending, and sometimes even saving their lives with the medicine in cannabis.

MomForce AZ, formerly known as Phoenix March, was incorporated in 2011 as an outreach to women.  My hope is to empower other women to speak out and tell what they know about cannabis. We are the mothers, grandmoms, aunties, and sisters our families trust to give them medicine, food, and advice. We have an obligation to learn all we can to help them, and our communities as a whole.  

Talk about cannabis with your family, friends, and co-workers. 

I am not a paid lobbyist. I am just a Mom. 

The more ordinary people stand up for what is right, the less there will be that is wrong.                                                                                             

TOPICS: Marijuana/Cannabis in Arizona Update


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MomForceAZ Events:

Sun City Health Fair – Medical Marijuana for Higher Health

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Date(s) - 10/14/2017
1:00 pm - 4:00 pm

All Saints of the Desert Episcopal Church



MomForce Meetups

Join us for our 4th Annual Sun City Health Fair

to understand medical marijuana for higher health

Understand why cannabis (marijuana) is helping seniors to find renewed health by trying it as an alternative to so many pharmaceuticals.

Learn history, uses, and medical applications of cannabis

Discuss healthy solutions that will make you feel better right away

Find great local resources

Understand how to get your medical marijuana card

Hear stories and testimonies from your neighbors

Healthy (and delicious!) lunch included

Hour 3

Media Type: Audio • Time: 104 Minutes and 0 Secs
Guests: Theo Chino

Hour 3 - Theo Chino provides an update about challenging New York's bitcoin regulation and provides an update on his case; Update on Morpheus


Hour 3

Theo Chino

Chino v. Dept. of Financial Services, Index # 101880-15 challenging New York's bitcoin regulation...

Article 78  Against NYDFS - A Lawsuit Against the Executive Branch Overreach


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BIO: Royal Pain in the Ass for a Better World.






Theo's Lawsuit: 

Article 78  Against NYDFS - A Lawsuit Against the Executive Branch Overreach

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Hearing in front of Justice Saint George. (10/10/2017)

Transcript of the hearing (PDF - 6 008 KB)

Free Morpheus Titania!

People Keep Getting Charged With a Crime for Selling Bitcoin

Bitcoin Foundation launches Fundraiser.

BitLicense can still be stopped if we use this opportunity

Hearing Date: Thursday, January 11th, 2018 @ 2:15 pm
Meetup Information

Justice Carmen St. George
Part 34, Room 308
80 Centre street, New York, NY 10013

Llew Claasen, Executive Director of the Bitcoin Foundation.

The foul smell of state cryptocurrency legislation

Off the Hook () explain the lawsuit on WBAI 99.5 FM.

Full show on 2600's website: (Air Date: March 29th 2017)

What is the case about ? Read this great overview of the case.
CEI Blog: New York's "BitLicense" on Trial.

Pierre Ciric explain Article 78 to Bitcoin Engineers in NYC. (8 minutes)

Pierre Ciric, an expert in Article 78, explained why the department of financial services acted arbitrarily and inappropriately by using Bitcoin companies as "Guinea Pigs" when it promulgated its virtual currency regulation.



Still Alive: NY Judge Delays Decision in Fight Against BitLicense

Oct 11, 2017 at 12:30 UTC by Michael del Castillo

"Is he paying you in bitcoins?"

The question directed by a court security guard to the legal counsel of New York resident Theo Chino yesterday, highlights a central issue long facing regulators considering the technology – is bitcoin a currency or commodity?

As the industry has found out, time and time again, that just depends.

But that answer isn't quite good enough in New York, where early rules were put in place for startups on the basis that money transmission laws applied. While most businesses have resigned themselves to the rules, getting practices in shape or else shipping out, Chino hasn't given up the fight.

Two years after initially filing court documents, Chino's lawyer argued in court yesterday that the so-called BitLicense regulations brought an early end to his client's career as a bitcoin entrepreneur, as many others have claimed.

On one side, Chino's legal counsel argued that the New York State Department of Financial Services (NYDFS) overstepped its mandate when it issued the BitLicense. On the other, the defendant's lawyer argued that Chino had no grounds for his complaint.

But rather than dismissing the underdog claim, Judge Carmen Victoria St. George issued what may be one of the more surprising statements in bitcoin's short legal history.

She concluded:

"Court reserves decision."

Instead of formally weighing in on the case, Judge St. George set a future court date for the participants to reconvene on January 11, 2018.

But while that could seem like an irritating bureaucratic measure, Chino was all smiles at the day's conclusion. Not only does this mean his case gets to live another day, but the judge seemed, at times, swayed by his lawyer's arguments.

The plaintiff

For Chino and his legal counsel, the indecision can be seen as a small victory, one that will move their case ahead in court, and hopefully, provide relief for smaller businesses they argue have been hurt by the law.

Stepping back, the thrust of Chino's argument is and has been that as a "small business" owner, he did not have the resources to go through the notoriously expensive application process for the BitLicense. Not only does the application cost $5,000, but it has also resulted in applicants spending millions on legal fees.

So, back in 2015, Chino filed a complaint against NYDFS and ceased work on his business.

"From the moment the license was promulgated," Chino's counsel Pierre Ciric argued in court, "he knew the cost of compliance was prohibitive."

And there's evidence to back up the claim. To date, just a handful of BitLicenses have been granted, and many more companies remain stuck in application status.

Still, it was perhaps Chino's critiques based on bitcoin's legal classification that had the most impact. When asked by the judge if bitcoin was, in fact, a financial instrument, Ciric responded, "No, absolutely not."

Instead, he argued the cryptocurrency was a commodity, more closely aligned with the definition put forth in 2015 by the U.S. Commodities Futures Trading Commission.

And Judge St. George seemed open to the argument.

The defense

On the other side, however, Jonathan Conley, who represented NYDFS, spent much of his time sidestepping this larger intellectual question.

Rather than addressing bitcoin's open-ended legal definition, Conley argued instead that Chino had no right to proceed with his claim due to the fact that he botched his BitLicense application, among other claims.

According to Conley, Chino filed his forms with multiple fields stating "not applicable" and "I will not disclose," before stopping the process altogether. Because of this Conley argued damages were only "speculative."

In this way, the remarks cut to the core of what could be another issue in the case – whether Chino is a suitable candidate to back his claims. But for now, that determination will be delayed.

Come January, it remains to be seen just how the judge will rule – and if more surprises are in store for what is perhaps the industry's most unlikely legal case.


Man at center of bitcoin-bodega lawsuit wants Paul Krugman to testify


Wednesday, October 11, 2017, 4:00 AM

An entrepreneur who sued the state for foiling his efforts to get seven city bodegas to accept bitcoin wants Pulitzer Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman to testify in his case.

An attorney for Theo Chino says the noted New York Times columnist and CUNY Graduate Center professor should testify before Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Carmen St. George regarding the "economic nature" of the global digital currency.

"I'll take any expert! Krugman is good enough for me," Chino's attorney Pierre Ciric told the Daily News.

Both Chino and attorneys for the state Department of Financial Services have cited Krugman as an authority amid a legal dispute over whether bitcoin is a "financial product or service." A judge would have to approve a subpoena for the famed economist.

Bitcoin explained and why hackers use it

Chino argues bitcoin's value fluctuates too wildly to be considered a viable financial product. State Assistant Attorney General Jonathan Conley said that argument "defied common sense" and that bitcoin is money subject to state regulation.

Chino sued in 2015, arguing that the state license required to engage in a "virtual currency business" was too burdensome. He had hoped to get the bodegas to accept bitcoin for any purchases.

Conley added that the effort to put Krugman on the stand was an example of a "classic fishing expedition."

Efforts to reach Krugman through the Times were unsuccessful.

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