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05-08-18 -- Etienne de la Boetie2 - Dr Shiva Ayyadurai - James Lee (MP3s & VIDEO LOADED)

Etienne de la Boetie2 (voluntaryist/anarchist author) on his book Understanding Our Slavery - Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai on his U.S. Senate campaign; lawsuit against the City of Cambridge - James Lee (Climate Viewer) the reality of weather modification; pro

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Guests Etienne de la Boetie2
Topics Book: Understanding Our Slavery

Hour 1 - Etienne de la Boetie2 (nom de guerre of a voluntaryist/anarchist author) on his book Understanding Our Slavery

Hour 2 - Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai on his U.S. Senate campaign; lawsuit against the City of Cambridge

Hour 3 - James Lee (Climate Viewer) the reality of weather modification; promote his solution to weather warfare 

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Hour 1

Etienne de la Boetie2

Etienne de la Boetie2 is the nom de guerre of a voluntaryist/anarchist author, father, technology entrepreneur, cyclist, runner, hot yogi, racquetballer, scuba-diver, multi-disciplinarian truther, armchair economist, cryptocurrency enthusiast, and neo-abolitionist who is experimenting with large-scale cult deprogramming. Mr. Boetie2 distills 20+ years of research into short, easily-digestible treatises on individual subjects and optimizes them for the 70% of society who are visual learners.

Webpage: https://www.understandingyourslavery.com/

About the Book: Understanding Your Slavery exposes the hidden control system and pseudo-religion of Statism used by organized crime interests centered around banking and central banking to manage the population. Using historical photographs, memes, and infographics the book is designed to accelerate and deepen the understanding of the 70% of the population who are visual learners. The book catalogs 20+ techniques used by the Nazis, Soviet Union, East Germany and the United States to take free, sentient children and indoctrinate them into a worldview that produces obedient "tax-payers" and classic "shave-headed cult members" willing to kill foreigners on command or enforce on their fellow tax slaves. The PDF version with links to additional research and evidence is available for free at www.UnderstandingYourSlavery.com



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Guests Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai

Topics Independent for Congress

Hour 2 - Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai on his recent Senate campaign; lawsuit against the City of Cambridge


Hour 2

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai 

Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, the inventor of email and polymath, holds four degrees from MIT and is a world-renowned systems scientist. He is a Fulbright Scholar, Lemelson-MIT Awards Finalist, First Outstanding Scientist and Technologist of Indian Origin (STIO), Westinghouse Science Talent Honors Award recipient, and was nominated for the U.S. National Medal of Technology and Innovation. In 1982, the US government recognized Ayyadurai as the inventor of email by awarding him the first Copyright for "Email" at a time when Copyright was the only way to protect software inventions. His interest in human health also began early, when as a child, he observed his grandmother, a village farmer and healer, practice Siddha, India's oldest system of traditional medicine.  This motivated his future study and research in systems biology at MIT, leading to his discovery of Systems Health®, a major breakthrough that provides an integrative framework linking eastern and western medicine. His latest invention CytoSolve®, emerging from his doctoral research at MIT, provides a revolutionary platform for modeling complex biological phenomena, to support the development multi-combination medicines without animal testing.

Webpage: https://shiva4senate.com/

CLICK HERE for Dr Shiva's Videos: https://shiva4senate.com/videos/


About Shiva and why he is running for U.S. Senate (Independent)

I am running for United States Senate from Massachusetts to be a 21st century Senator. We stand at the crossroads where we can either head into a Golden Age or into the Darkness. Incredible innovation and solutions, which have been created by everyday Americans, already exist for energy, education, health, affordable housing and much more. What stands in the way are the old guard of career politicians, political hacks, lawyer-lobbyists and academics who pervade Washington and local government with corruption and crony capitalism that chokes and suffocates these innovations and solutions from reaching us. America becomes great when innovators, entrepreneurs, working people with skills and those committed to using common sense and reason run this country. The Founders of America were blacksmiths, engineers, soldiers, architects, entrepreneurs, scientists — they actually worked for a living and produced through their labor, products and services to help other citizens.

I stand before you as someone who is a personification of the American Dream. My parents and I left the caste system of India in 1970 where we were considered low caste "Untouchables" and "Deplorables". We first settled in Paterson, NJ and I went through the public school system where I was fortunate to have come across incredibly dedicated teachers, coaches and mentors.

The Real Fighter

On my 7th birthday, in 1970, I left India and came to America: to this land of incredible opportunity. As a kid, I learned from my parents, teachers, coaches, and friends that what mattered most was Truth — to uncover it, share it and fight for it. That core value is THE foundation of the America Dream. And my life has been about fighting for Truth, at every step.


Climate Change. Clean Air, Water and Land

Clean air, clean water and clean land is the foundation of life. Our air is polluted. COPD/lung diseases are the most prevalent disorders globally. The amount of plastic waste in the ocean is now being referred to as "plastic islands." Our landfills are overflowing with municipal waste, rubber, metals, etc. These are undeniable facts. We need to move beyond the …

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Clean Food and Food Safety

Health begins with prevention and what we feed the body. GMOs are destroying our health. We need policies to ensure our food supply is safe and not ridden with pesticides or genetic modifications that have evaded safety assessments. Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai Explains What's A GMO & Why Every American Should Be Concerned Please make your generous donation, be it $5 …

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Be The Light! Innovation Is The Way.

As a scientist and engineer, I know that Nature is the ultimate designer and the supreme engineer. The laws of Nature reveal that intelligence and innovation exists everywhere and is not centralized. But there are those like Elizabeth Warren who think they are God and all-knowing. She is quite certain that SHE KNOWS BETTER. The truth is: YOU KNOW BETTER. …

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Real Jobs. Good Wages.

Beyond just Silicon Valley or Kendall Square, let's create 21st century jobs that take advantage of the incredible advances in science, engineering, medicine, and the long-awaited return of manufacturing and fair trade practices. (Elizabeth Warren was paid $300,000+ for teaching just ONE class at Harvard.)

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Low Taxes. Fair Taxes.

Money goes where there's a stable economy, low inflation and low taxes. Increasing taxes on those who innovate and take risks to deliver jobs will destroy our system. (According to forbes.com, Elizabeth Warren wants a corporate income tax rate of 105%. Our current 35% corporate tax is the highest in the industrialized world.)

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Care And Health In "Healthcare"

Neither Obamacare nor RyanCare address REAL "care" or "health." We need CARE that provides choice, accountability and affordability. We need HEALTH that integrates state of the art innovations and discoveries from East & West, Ancient & Modern, Science & Tradition for everyone. (Elizabeth Warren receives government health care as a senator.)

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Our Veterans

We must fast track and deliver those services that our vets need and have been wrongfully denied. We treat illegal immigrants better than our own veterans.

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We need secure borders that safeguard our citizens and those that came here legally. Without borders and clear enforcement, we don't have a country.

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Most gun owners are law abiding citizens. We must protect their constitutional rights. Chicago has America's strictest firearm laws and has record-breaking gun crime.

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Inner Cities

Youth learn and prosper from adult role models and their mentoring. We need REAL mentors and need to eradicate those that destroy our youth.

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PRESS RELEASE: Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai Campaign Files Lawsuit Against City of Cambridge

April 22, 2018


Complaint Charges Political Bias and Violation of First Amendment

CAMBRIDGE, MA (April 22, 2018) – Today, Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai and his U.S. Senate campaign, SHIVA 4 SENATE, filed a federal lawsuit against the City of Cambridge for violating his First Amendment rights to use the slogan "Only A Real Indian Can Defeat The Fake Indian" on his campaign bus parked at his office building.

The complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in Boston, claims that the City was motivated by political bias when it alleged the slogan on the vehicle constituted a building code violation, and demanded that the slogan be taken down from the SHIVA 4 SENATE campaign bus or face a $300 a day fine. The slogan however, is painted on the bus, which is parked in the parking lot when it is not on the road, and is not part of the building, which is free of any signs commercial, political or otherwise.

The complaint pointed out that previous signage on the bus did not invite such a letter from the City of Cambridge, even though such signage was on the bus for nearly a year. But in a warning letter sent on April 5, the City only objected to the latest banner, which highlights Elizabeth Warren's dishonesty in claiming Native American ancestry. The complaint seeks a temporary and permanent injunction against the City imposing any fine.

"This is a political vendetta by City officials who are supporters of Elizabeth Warren," said Dr. Ayyadurai, adding that, "We will not remove the slogan from our bus. We will not give one penny to the City. We will defend the First Amendment, and we will fight this egregious attack on the First Amendment, at any cost."

Anyone seeking to support the campaign's lawsuit against the City can donate to the SHIVA 4 SENATE campaign at Shiva4Senate.Com/Defend-The-Bus-Defend-The-First-Amendment .

Any press inquiries can be directed via email to shiva@shiva4senate.com, or via phone to 1-617-631-6874.


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Guests James Lee

Topics Climate Viewer , Chemtrails

Hour 3 - James Lee (Climate Viewer) the reality of weather modification; promote his solution to weather warfare 


Hour 3

James Lee

Climate Viewer






I am Jim Lee and I help people understand complex ideas by creating maps, timelines, articles, and lectures. I am going to talk about Pollution, Privacy and Propaganda every chance I get because they interest me, affect us, and I care about our Planet. ClimateViewer News is my blog and the central location for all of my research.

Jim Lee, creator of ClimateViewer

Jim Lee, creator of ClimateViewer

I am forever a Boy Scout, lifetime artist, nocturnal programmer, music is my life, love is my religion, and I am the luckiest husband and father on Earth. I speak for the trees. I have a passion for mapping, magnets, and mysteries.

I have devoted the last seven years of my life to understanding and reporting the truth about the lengthy history of weather modification. I represented people like myself at the EPA's hearing on aviation pollution in August 2015, lectured at Ed Griffin's conference Global Warming: An Inconvenient Lie in December 2016, and my research has been referenced on many prominent websites, including the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO), Canadian Geophysical Union, MIT, Harvard, and the United Nations.

I created ClimateViewer News to:

POLLUTION: Map polluted locations worldwide, gather facts on those affected, and use those facts to combat polluters' public relations (PR).

PRIVACY: Raise awareness of technology used to monitor, mock, and silence activists who dare attempt to combat climate change, today.

PROPAGANDA: Educate others on perception management, public relations, and other mass media mind-control techniques used against you, the reader.

I created ClimateViewer 3D to map pollution worldwide, from the depths of the ocean to any part of our atmosphere. CV3D is an open-source geophysical monitoring map with live imagery on a gorgeous 3D globe. CV3D features an encyclopedic list of exclusive maps resulting in thousands of hours of personal educational bliss not found anywhere else on the internet, let alone in one place.

I have compiled the largest volume of geoengineering and weather modification history into one massive timeline, complete with lists of companies, patents, sponsors, and laws: Weather Modification History. WMH is an international effort lead by me and Domenic Marrama, combining both investigative journalists' superpowers to create an unparalleled online repository of factual references in chronological format.

I am a self-taught web page and graphics designer, music lover, and traditional artist. I researched, designed, and coded everything on my four websites at night while my children sleep.

ClimateViewer is a family-owned business. I have been happily married for 18 years. We raise our two beautiful daughters, take care of my wife's grandmother who has end-stage Alzheimers, and we are trying to build a small homestead. We live simply, happily, and we are free.


I will be discussing my trip to the 21st Conference on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification in Austin TX Jan 9-11, 2017. I will be promoting my solution to weather warfare, The Environmental Modification Accountability Act of 2018, at this conference and filming the event, interviewing scientists, etc.

Please check out the details here: https://climateviewer.com/enmod/ 


Go Fund Me Campaign: https://www.gofundme.com/weather-control-conference-2018



Ten Technologies to Own the Weather Today!


By Jim Lee 

 Tuesday, Nov 7, 2017

Ten Technologies to Own the Weather Today!

 CATEGORY Geoengineering  TAGS Artificial Clouds • ENMOD • Ionospheric Heater • Sounding Rocket • Featured


Speculation on the internet abounds on the subject of weather control. With the recent flop of the 100+ million dollar Geostorm movie, many are searching for answers to the question "Is someone controlling the weather?" The answer is unequivocally yes. We will now explore ten weather modification technologies in use today and explain how each could be used as a weapon of war.

President Kennedy United Nations Address On Weather Modification

President Kennedy United Nations Address On Weather Modification - SEPTEMBER 25, 1961

President Lyndon Johnson Approves Weather Warfare

President Lyndon Johnson Approves Weather Warfare - MAY 27, 1962 - 1969

#1, #2, #3 Ionospheric Heaters, Sounding Rockets, and Satellites (Related)

Dr. Harry Wexler warned that the use of technologies to modify stratospheric ozone or punch holes in the ionosphere could lead to world wide weather issues. [1] After his sudden heart attack, the RAND Corporation suggested an increase in the use of sounding rockets to punch holes in the ionosphere and dump chemicals in space. [2]

Collectively this type of weather control is referred to as Space Weather Modification, Ionospheric Modification, Magnetospheric Modification, Plasma Seeding, and Geophysical Warfare.

Space weather modification could be causing a myriad of effects, from triggering earthquakes to creating artificial plasma mirrors that destroy ozone,[1] focus sunlight,[3] and cook troops.[4]

Everything switched to chemical releases from sounding rockets and satellites when upper atmospheric nuclear explosions were banned shortly following Project Westford (needles), Operation Argus, Starfish Prime, and the like. These chemical dumps usually consist of: [5][6][7]




Tri-methylaluminum (TMA)

Sulfur Hexaflouride (SF6, banned CFC. #Irony)

Immediately upon release, these chemicals interact with solar wind (sunlight) and glow. Lithium is unique because it is visible during daylight. Each of these chemicals will attach to magnetic field lines in the Van Allen belts, allowing scientists to use them as a tracer: they make the invisible visible. [5][6][7] Once military analysts can see and diagnose the ionosphere it is now time to fix it! High powered microwave transmission antennas, in large arrays called Ionospheric Heaters, cook the ionosphere and the plasma clouds made by the chemical releases. This allows the military to: [8][9][10]

Destroy the Van Allen Belts, more gently referred to as radiation belt remediation

create an "Artifical Ionospheric Mirror" (AIM)

create ELF waves that are heard worldwide

create plasma clouds

create airglow using HF radio waves and/or rocket exhaust plumes

create holes in the ionosphere

modifies the magnetic properties of our planet to probe underground structures

protecting against EMP from solar flares and high altitude nuclear devices (graphic below)

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Gakona, Alaska is currently the most powerful Ionospheric Heater on Earth. In addition to the the abilities listed above, Malcolm Light from the Arctic Methane Emergency Group (AMEG) proposed using multiple Ionospheric Heaters like HAARP to compress atmospheric methane into diamond dust in what he dubbed Project Lucy. [11] Similarly, the Climate CoLab has a geoengineering contest and one proposal discussed using HAARP to help CO2 "escape to space." [12]

Recently, Dr. Rick Shankman reviewed my research and made the assertion that HAARP could possibly be to blaim for the recent "pause" in global temperatures. Coincidentally, HAARP became operational in 1997 around the start of the "pause." [13]

The US military sold the HAARP facility to the University of Alaska because it has "moved on to better ways of managing the ionosphere." Ionospheric heaters are now located worldwide on satellites, barges, and trailers. [14]

The Most Dreadful Weapon: Space Mirrors, Ionospheric Mirrors, Atmospheric Lens

Combined Release and Radiation Effects Satellite (CRRES) dumps chemicals, Arecibo Ionospheric Heater cooks chemicals

Charged Aerosol Release Experiment (CARE)

Luminous vapor trail of tri-methyl aluminum (TMA) reveals neutral winds, shears, gravity waves, and instabilities in the high-latitude, upper atmosphere.

Image of a daytime lithium trail near 68 miles/110 kilometers altitude from a sounding rocket launched from Wallops Island, Virginia, in July 2013.

The cloud in the upper left hand part of the image is due to a barium release. The purple-red part is the ionized component which has become elongated along the Earth's magnetic field lines. The purple-blue cloud that surrounds the red ionized barium is a combination of the neutral barium and strontium. The blue and white trail in the lower portion of the image is from a TMA vapor trail that reveals the neutral wind trails as a function of altitude.

Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy Sam Nunn Policy Forum - April 28, 1997 University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia.

HAARP Radiation Belt Remediation: Satellite Threat Due to High Altitude Nuclear Detonation - Eisenhower Institute

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The Legitimacy of Government

The Legitimacy of Government

By: Ernest Hancock

Written back in 1994 by Ernest Hancock

Second Amendment is For Everyone (S.A.F.E.)

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Phoenix, AZ 85012

(This was the address of the first of now our 5th Workshop)


Watching Larken Rose's Whole Problem (and Solution) in a 2 minute explanation reminded me of my awakening almost 20 years ago (in 1994). This was under the S.A.F.E. (Second Amendment is for Everyone) email account back then when I was representing S.A.F.E. on an Arizona gun rights email list, which is where this conversation happened.
Here's the article I wrote in 1994. I was having a very similar conversation with another very dedicated individual to freedom. This post was picked up by others and widely distributed (thankfully they corrected grammar and spelling :) Almost 20 years ago I knew what to do. Enjoy... 



Frederick Mann writes: A discussion rages on at high speed with great passion here in Arizona regarding the "social contract" we're all supposed to be forced into. While the discussion continues, I was compelled to share this article with you all due to the impact it had on my ability to understand the issue and how I might share it with others.


Mark F. Writes

What are you proposing? Anarchy? Government has a legitimate role of protecting your life, rights and property. Its existence may cost money. Whether it is a direct or apportioned tax to cover that existence is another argument, but even if government were doing all it should do - you still have jurisdiction issues which may not be consensual.

The only option which would be available in that case would be sudden war by the government against you due to your unwillingness to clear up a minor problem. It could only be war because we're not under the jurisdiction of the government's legitimate role of clearing up such issues in the name of protecting life, rights and property.

I'm really not familiar with any time in our history that things worked like this, and I always conclude that Anarchist Libertarians wish to go beyond our origins to something else. Maybe I misunderstand.

Ernest Hancock

Speaking for me, you're correct. I wish to go beyond your origins to something else. Colonial-era slogans aside, let's see what those political origins actually are. You're recommending that people not abandon the instutition called government, on the grounds that this might entail confusion over jurisdiction, and possibly even violence - a small but "sudden war by the government against" me in the event that I couldn't get along with my neighbors.

But when referring to even the recent past, we find that government is by far history's greatest peril.

Confusion over jurisdiction: Find me a year that goes by without men being sent to die in a border dispute. Know anybody who went to Grenada? Know anybody who went to the Gulf? Know anybody who's going to go to Bosnia? Know anybody who went to the European Theater?

I can point to a hundred and fifty million political dead this century alone. You can point to a hypothesis about confusion over jurisdiction in the case of a burglary.

A time in history that things worked like this? Guilty. There's conjecture about ancient Iceland and more conjecture about the American West, but nothing all that convincing, even to me. I'm not convinced there'll be a 300 Mhz desktop computer, either; I'll believe it when I see it. (This didn't take too long)

Here's what we do know, though: All States nova. All tribes disperse. There is no historical precedent for a permanent State, or a stable one. Of the extant States today, the exceedingly young USA may be the oldest, which says nothing good about the advance of the science of statism.

When States nova, which they invariably do, they usually do a very bloody job of it. I've never seen a war. I've never seen a mass grave. I've never seen corpses accumulating in piles. I hope I never do. Above all, I see no reason to manufacture rationalizations for the institution that never fails to accompany wholesale slaughter. Without a government, Mark, the worst you can do is a riot.

Mark F.

Government has a legitimate role of protecting your life, rights and property.

Ernest Hancock

Hence, the elaborate theories about something called a "social contract." The difference between a contract and a social contract, of course, is that the former is consented to by both parties while the latter is imagined by one but binding upon another.

(Ain't it strange how we've learned to look for hokum wherever a derivative of The S Word comes up? Social Democrat. Social Justice. Social Contract. National Socialist Party. The world is filled with strange coincidences.)

If government is legitimate, merely tell me whence it derives its legitimacy.

Social contract is currently fashionable, in the ebb and flow of on-line political debate. This is a contract I never signed, that I've never seen, that has no terms, that is binding upon me but not upon the other party, that can be dispensed with at will by the government but must submitted to by me upon pain of incarceration, whose terms may change on-the-fly or even retroactively, from which there is no escape clause, which is binding in perpetuity, which binds my ancestors and descendants, which requires fealty but guarantees no consideration.

And it's bullshit on its face. But that's not the interesting thing. There are a thousand intricate dodges designed to cover the ass of statism, and refuting one of the lot isn't that fun or that illuminating, at least if you've been working these boards for a while. There will always be another transparent cloak for the Emperor to wear.

What's interesting is that there are a thousand cloaks, but there aren't a thousand-and-one. Here's the thousand-and-first, and you'll never hear it from a statist:

Because they have guns and if you don't obey, they'll shoot you. [emphasis added]

I'll come clean. I'm not writing to Mark F.. I have no hope of showing him anything, because I think he's determined not to be shown. But for those who aren't solely concerned with building dungeons out of cards, this is useful.

Statism can't be justified. I can give you a list of minds bigger than mine who wanted it so badly they were willing to torque their own brains, and a longer list of folks who didn't know any better. Mark's own Locke, and Rousseau. And Blackstone. They had a common ancestor, Hugo de Groot. Back to Aristotle and all the way to Thales, forward to Rand, and even to Nozick, Jefferson, Madison, Marx, Mill. All of you have read some, and some of you have undoubtedly read more than I.


None of them said it, because all of them are beehive-busy trying to find another reason for this: "If you don't obey, we'll shoot you." That's not legitimacy, so they had to find another way. Social contract. Consent of the governed (probably the most opaque self-contradiction of the millenium). Will of the majority. Threat of descendence into chaos. Greatest good for the greatest number. Progress. Good of the Motherland. Throwing off dominion of the ZOG. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

If government is legitimate, merely tell me whence it derives its legitimacy. Why does it need so many different justifications?

If government is legitimate, why does it need guns?

Mathematicians don't need guns. We think they're legitimate. Physicists don't need guns. Biologists don't need guns. Musicians don't need guns. Tool and die makers don't need guns. Copy editors don't need guns.

Government needs guns because it isn't legitimate. It cannot persuade you, and it cannot base its appeals in reason, because there cannot be a basis in reason for an appeal to dumb savagery.

I don't care whether it claims to be instituted by my consent, or for the sake of my welfare, or as the product of some non-evident contract, or in response to the prospect of mass starvation, or for the protection of life and liberty and property. None of that matters. It cannot be justified in reason. It has not been justified in reason in four thousand years, despite all the effort of all the courts of all the despots of all the centuries. And the hand-waving of your next encounter with yet another electronic acolyte in the cult of the State will prove this yet again:

Government is not legitimate. You can tell by the effort people must go to to make up rationalizations for it.

Now, here's the dirty little secret. I said, all their rationalizations are a veneer, all their happy-babble is cover for what's really going on: "If you don't submit, we'll shoot you." [emphasis added] That's true, but to any proposition there is a converse.

The converse to the proposition in question is this: If they could compel you, they'd have no need to convince you. [emphasis added]

[Frederick Mann added this comment on his web page where one of the copies of this exchange was posted: This is one of the central aspects of discovering that you are inherently free, free by nature. Through your ability to make decisions, you control the energy that animates your mind and body. The terrocrats (terrorist bureaucrats) really cannot control or compel anyone. So they have to brainwash people, program them like robots, to believe and obey. Above all, they must brainwash their victims into believing in the "legitimacy" of the terrocrat system.]

If dumb savagery were all it took, statists would have it made. They could simply announce, "do it our way or we'll smoke you. We have an army." And that would be that. We'd be wandering around in loincloths carrying digging sticks.

But they don't say that. Governments throughout human history have employed a procession of yes-men long enough to circle the moon. A plethora of Prime Ministers, a rick of Rasputins, a cord of courtesans. Why bother with all that, when all it takes is weaponry? If militaries were enough, we've have had no emperors and no Presidents - and if simple brutality were enough, we'd have no militaries. Write this in your notebooks:

They do not seek dominion.

They seek legitimacy.

[Frederick Mann: In my opinion, they seek both dominion and legitimacy. But their dominion is largely based on perceived legitimacy. Undermining their legitimacy is one of the most powerful strategies for removing their dominion.]

Why does the Ayatollah seek to have Salman Rushdie murdered? Not to keep his subjects from the prose - he could ban the book easily enough. It is because Rushdie threatens the Ayatollah's legitimacy, even in the eyes of people the Ayatollah has never met and never will.

Why does Bill Clinton seek to stifle dissent by branding it right-wing hate-speech? Not because he fears overthrow, or even being denied a second term. In the unlikely event he has a second term, we all know he'll be even more likely to repress contrarian speech, not less. This is because he seeks legitimacy, seeks it above all things.

Mark F. constructs his tortured case for social contract for a reason, and that reason is not ignoble. He wants to be right. He wants to persuade you. The Ayatollah and Bill Clinton want to persuade you. They wish to find a basis in reason because, above all things, they want to be right.

This is what spin control is about: Pretending to be right. This is what posturing is about. If force of arms were adequate, there'd be no need to waste time on spin-control, but think about it: the world's most repressive regimes were those with the most insistent "education" programs. Witness the Soviets, witness China, witness Cambodia, witness medieval Spain.

They want legitimacy, crave it desperately. So do you. So do I.

And we all seek legitimacy in the common ground that is reason. If we seek this, we cannot start with a justification or a conclusion to which the argument must be torqued to match.

Mark F.

If there is not a supreme law to protect the life, rights and property of individuals (through delegated powers) then you have individuals doing what they please with impunity, as in a state of nature.

Ernest Hancock

There's only one state of nature, the only one that ever was. And in this state, people can go wandering around doing whatever they want. With impunity! This is the nature of the human organism: we are each exclusively self-controlled. [emphasis added]

[Frederick Mann: Again, this is the essence of discovering that you are free. You exclusively control yourself - whether you realize it or not. Nobody else can control you. However, if you're like most people, you've been brainwashed to believe that the "government system" controls you and the only way to escape this "control" is to change or remove the "system."]

Mark regards this with such revulsion that he considers the mere prospect of it to be a horror, and it certainly will wreck the web of the spider spinning social contracts. In the face of a fact obvious to any observer - that each of us is intrinsically free to do as he wills - he prefers to wax about a contract that each of us knows damn good and well doesn't exist and never did. That which is obvious and evident and verifiable is to be ignored, dismissed as nonsense. That which is ludicrous is to be cultivated as "supreme law."

[Frederick Mann: In my experience, it's obvious to fewer than one in a thousand individuals that they are intrinsically free to do as they will.]

But freedom is unavoidable. Discretion is the nature of organisms; we are individuals by the very way we are made. We are exclusively self-motivated; we have no other way of operating. We can be coerced, but we cannot be enslaved. This is evident, and it is irrefutable. And this is the basis for a rational conversation about human affairs.

[Frederick Mann: Humans allow themselves to become enslaved by buying into irrational statist ideas, superstitions, lies, concepts, terms (words), definitions, and arguments.]

This is the observation that is the basis for a legitimate argument about legitimacy. When people persist in basing arguments for a "civilized" state in the imaginary, while they persist in gaping at reality itself as too monstrous to be contemplated - is it any wonder that the streets of "civilizations" never fail to run red with blood?

Frederick Mann's Comments

In a fund-raising letter to their members, the National Rifle Association (NRA) used the term "jackbooted thugs." George Bush resigned his NRA membership. Bill Clinton repeatedly denounced the NRA for using this term. Why? What do these terrocrats fear most?

Answer: The loss of their legitimacy. Terms like "jackbooted thug" destroy their legitimacy. This is the major reason why we use terms like "terrocrat." (Interestingly, The Arizona Republic used the terms "law-abusement officer" and "law-abusement agent" in an editorial on September 18, 1995!)

Using such terms and persuading others to use them is phenomenally powerful because it destroys legitimacy.


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