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Radio/TV • Declare Your Independence with Ernest Hancock
Program Date:

12-08-20 -- LOVE Bus Live Remote from June's Cafe, Tues Dec 8th (So you say you want a LOV3olution)

Ernest Hancock takes the LOVE Bus ( to Overgaard, AZ for live remote from June's Cafe with owner Tracy Packer; John & Meklody Tate - Kathy Gibson (local activist) talks about government interference in many aspects (MP3 loaded)

Hour 1 - 3

Media Type: Audio • Time: 127 Minutes and 0 Secs

Hour 1 - Ernest Hancock takes the LOVE Bus ( to Heber-Overgaard, Arizona to do a live remote from June's Cafe with owner Tracy Packer who has defied the mask mandate and also has remained open for the bulk of the lockdown...

Hour 2 - LOVE Bus ( live remote from June's Cafe (Heber-Overgaard) Cont'd...John and Melody Tate join Ernest in the LOVE Bus

Hour 3  - Kathy Gibson joins Ernest Hancock in the LOVE Bus ( for a live remote from June's Cafe in Heber-Overgaard. Kathy (a local activist and business owner) talks about government interference in many aspects of life, including health (vaccines), personal and private property (ranchers), and business


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Hour 1




Ernest Hancock takes the LOVE Bus ( to Heber-Overgaard, Arizona to do a live remote from June's Cafe with owner Tracy Packer who has defied the mask mandate and also has remained open for the bulk of the lockdown. See Tracy's info and bio below:

Tracy Packer

Owner of June's Cafe in Heber, AZ,

close to where the Jackalope Freedom Festival is held

Junes Cafe Under New Ownership - By Sherry Adair - October 4, 2018  -

When I sat at the counter at June's Cafe recently and asked Tracy Packer as she poured me a cup of coffee who the new owner of Junes was she extended her hand for a shake and said "Hi, I'm Tracy".

 June's Cafe is a landmark to most of us who have been coming here since the 80's – and my family has. My daughter still calls it June's Dairy Delight, and it was a delight sitting and talking with Tracy and her daughter, Raylene today about what we can expect with new ownership.

Tracy was born and raised here in Heber and worked as a waitress at June's in the early 80's with the original owner June. Tracy says acquiring June's was one of those 'timing' things. When Kelly and Barb, the former owners for 7 ½ years were ready to move on and sell the business they knew Tracy was interested and approached her for a decision. Tracy sat down with her family and asked if they were all in and the rest is history. Tracy has a close-knit family that includes her sister, two daughters, and brother who help out. So, it was a family decision; the timing was right. Tracy speaks highly of Kelly her former boss. She says he was always teaching and schooling her and preparing her to be the next owner and she will forever be grateful to him.

Tracy is adamant about keeping June's the same. Any changes are only improvements in the existing menu, such as using all fresh meat for burgers.  Who can argue with that?

Bob, the cook stayed on. Bob makes fresh soup, homemade pie, fresh salsa (mild and hot). Just that good ole home cookin' we all love. You can put your order in for Holiday Pies—Pumpkin Pie, Berry Pies and all fruit pies are available and you can ask for your favorite. Two days notice is required

 Gail Ratcliff, the star waitress, stayed on. Gail has been there 11 years now entertaining us and making us feel special. Oh, and nothing has changed there either. Just remember to "Close the dang door!" in the winter when you come in and everything will be ok.It is clear that Tracy and her daughter, Raylene love the business and they have what it takes to provide that friendly customer service and good home cookin' we all love and keep coming back for.

Show Notes - while camping in Baca Meadows (site of the Jackalope Freedom Festival), which is 13 miles from June's Cafe in Heber, AZ, we were made aware that the cafe had a sign posted that they and their employees do not wear masks (as mandated by the county/state). So we wanted to support their efforts at resisting the mandate, and visited their cafe several times during our trip...Here are some signs posted on their front door:


As mentioned on the show, if you would like to order a 'June's Cafe' coffee cup, please follow the link (please give Tracy a few days to get the shopping cart up and ready)

See a list of Governor Ducey's Exec Orders Here:

Tracy's previous interviews with Ernest:

Hour 2

Hour 2  - Ernest Hancock takes the LOVE Bus ( to Heber-Overgaard, Arizona to do a live remote from June's Cafe where owner Tracy Packer has defied the mask mandate and also has remained open for the bulk of the lockdown (Cont'd)...John and Melody Tate join Ernest in the LOVE Bus


Hour 2

LOVE Bus Live Remote Broadcast from June's Cafe, Heber-Overgaard, AZ

John and Melody Tate In Studio Guests

Citizens Multiple Land Use & Access

Hour 3

Guests: Kathy Gibson, ,

Hour 3  - Kathy Gibson joins Ernest Hancock in the LOVE Bus ( for a live remote from June's Cafe in Heber-Overgaard. Kathy (a local activist and business owner) talks about government interference in many aspects of life, including health (vaccines), personal and private property (ranchers), and business


Hour 3

LOVE Bus Live Remote Broadcast from June's Cafe, Heber-Overgaard, AZ

Kathy Gibson guest

Author Kathy Gibson Boatman and her Mother Bonnie Gibson operate a Farmer's Market in Overgaard, AZ that will open Memorial Day weekend and runs throughout the summer. They also have a tiny Cabin available for rent near Heber, AZ that is surrounded by National Forest and features local historic artifacts and documents. Bonnie is perhaps the most famous fire lookout in the history of the Mogollon Rim country and spent her youth punching cows, raising kids, and staffing lookout towers. Bonnie is the matriarch of one of the greatest of the 20th-century families in northern Arizona and still lives on the family place at Black Canyon, scene of various chapters in the Graham Tewksbury Wars over sheep grazing on the Mogollon Rim. Bonnie knew Dobbie Porter personally. Kathy is a famous local activist for the wise use of our public lands and preservation of our Freedom and Liberty as American Citizens.


I was happy to see so many of my fellow Arizonans out enjoying our National Forest this past weekend. I am sure they felt the need to get outside, get some exercise and fresh air and escape the constant Corona Virus pandemic that is affecting us all. I was thankful our Governor was one to encourage people to safely take advantage of our freedom and our natural resources in the forest to do things that are beneficial to both children and adults.

Our National Forests are unique to our Southwestern way of life and have been used for generations by many of us, both for recreational purposes and for employment. This was the intention when the Forests were created. There are wonderful historic documents available online that verify the traditions and culture of the Forest Service and the citizens of the local communities they have served over the years.

I have been studying this history after being inspired by finding the signature of the first Forest Ranger F.H. Owens who served on the Sitgreaves Forest as Forest Ranger from 1907-1919 and who was friends with my Grandfather Irving Gibson, or Gibby as he was known to most people.

My Grandparents became friends with Franklin Carroll, Sr. and his wife Betty when they came to work on the Sitgreaves forest in 1947. The Forest Service didn't have adequate housing for all the employees so my Grandparents took Lin and Betty in. They let them stay in a little bunkhouse on our ranch. Margaret nursed Betty through her recovery from polio. That began a lifetime friendship for our families.

My Grandpa's guestbook has numerous cartoons that Frank Carroll drew over the years as they returned for visits, usually at Easter time. Oh, how I would have loved to be the "fly on the wall" during some of those discussions as Ranchers and Forest Rangers didn't always see eye to eye. In fact, they fought like hell…in a good way!

Frank's son, Franklin, recently told me, "I remember falling asleep many nights to the sounds of the adults arguing about forest policy. Dad loved Gibby and the kids, the ranch hands, the way of life. He was a dedicated conservationist and the national forests were for use by the people. They would tease each other about various atrocities they committed, like roping and dragging forest signposts, or seizing and impounding trespass cows. One night, Gibby was showing Dad his new lever-action rifle. Dad took it and levered it back and fired a round through the roof of Halter Cross ranch headquarters. Scared us bad. They all laughed. The Old West was a blast."

The history of the Forest Service shows that in 1898 Gifford Pinchot became Chief of the Division of Forestry in the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The early Use Books produced under the direction of Gifford Pinchot are rare but excerpts are available online. The description of the Use Book says, "The Use Book was a manual of instructions and information covering such subjects as an organization, personnel, meetings, examinations, claims, various uses of the National Forests, timber sales, grazing, fire-fighting." It is interesting to note that in its very first sentence the Use Book expresses the philosophy that "The timber, water, pasture, minerals and other resources of the National Forests are for the use of the people."

Other historical documents support this. On page 131 of the book called The Early Days: A Source Book of Southwestern History an interview with Ray Kallus who was an Administrative Assistant on the Sitgreaves in February of 1934 states, "I started to tell you about the early days on the Sitgreaves. There isn't so much that I can remember except that I helped Gordon Bade during the winter when I didn't have much to do. He'd make a timber sale analysis of a section or a number of sections of land. On one of them, he made this timber analysis, listed the number of trees — you know how it's done — and remarked once that this was the area where the early settlers at Snowflake and Taylor came to get logs to build their cabins. It was just natural forest management accidentally, in that the trees then — this was in '34 — were so thick, the new growth was so thick, that you could scarcely walk through it. I was impressed by that and I remember it quite clearly."

According to Wikipedia Snowflake was founded in 1878 so it is good to note that the Forest was healthy and thick with growth in 1934 following the timber harvests that the pioneer's used to build their homes.

It is well documented that lumbering, Ranching, and mining were well established in the Southwest long before the earliest conservationists or foresters arrived. The General Land Office of the Department of the Interior, which had jurisdiction over the Federal lands, was primarily interested in selling them prior to the creation of the Forest Reserves. Homestead laws were meant to encourage settlement of the west.

Not everyone was in favor of the Forest Reserves when they were being considered and formed. The territorial papers were quick to publish the concerns of the local citizens. They feared a loss of local control and worried they would lose their freedom and their ability to graze the forest with their cattle and utilize the timber for mining, building, fencing, and firewood. These are concerns that are still shared today in some areas.

Grandpa Gibby was also friends with Dolph Slosser who was a Forest Ranger on the Sitgreaves Forest from 1914-1944. Adolphus Slosser was born in Phoenix in 1892 and is noted in historic papers for his Cowboy Skills. The Arizona Republican, dated December 22, 1906 "Dolph Slosser won first prize in steer tying at the Tempe Cowboy Tournament." Dolph is featured in the book, Men Who Matched the Mountains by Edwin A. Tucker and George Fitzpatrick who described these early Forest Rangers, "they were rugged outdoorsmen, ex-cowboys, ex-miners, men who loved the outdoors. They were men rugged enough to match the mountains they patrolled, and the technically-trained foresters who came later learned from them and had to match their ruggedness and stamina or they fell by the wayside."

These early Ranchers and Rangers were part of the group of pioneers who settled our wild, western forests and made it possible for all of us to enjoy them today.  

By Kathy Gibson Boatman

Men Who Matched the Mountains

Timeless Heritage: A history of the Forest Service in the Southwest

The Early Days: A Sourcebook of Southwestern Region History

Wildfire Watch for Navajo and Apache County


1. Back by popular demand:

Friday December 11th from 6:30 until traffic stops. Start N of Highway 260, 1857 2nd Ave; Heber, AZ. Watch for the giant star in the sky. More Good News, we are teaming up with Meals on Wheels Program. Please bring a non-perishable food iten or items and a Christmas card or artwork from the kiddos. We will have a receptable along the route for you to drop off items. Suggestions include canned soups, beanie weanies, canned chicken or tuna, canned fruit, crackers, basically things that require minimal preparation. #GiveBack #TisTheSeason


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