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Austin, Texas Plane Crash: Was This a Deliberate Act?

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(The Pilot's ONLINE suicide note)
Also included in full below... reported earlier Thursday that Austin firefighters responded to a house fire at a home believed to be Stack's. Firefighters reported that the entire house was engulfed in flames, including the fence, when they arrived on the scene.

An Internet user with the name "Joe Stack" posted a suicide note to a social media Web site, ranting against the IRS, according to

"If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?'" the note reportedly read. "The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time."

Suicide Note:

If you’re reading this, you’re no doubt asking yourself, “Why did this have to happen?”  The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time.  The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn’t enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken.  Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it.  I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless… especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head.  Exactly what is therapeutic about that I’m not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy.  Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all.  We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers.  Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”.  I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven’t had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind.  Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours?  Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”.  It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You’ve got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system?  Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand.  Yet, it mercilessly “holds accountable” its victims, claiming that they’re responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand.  The law “requires” a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that’s not “duress” than what is.  If this is not the measure of a totalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here? 

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early ‘80s.  Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English.  Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.  In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful “exemptions” that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the “best”, high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the “big boys” were doing (except that we weren’t steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God).  We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two “interpretations” for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us… Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0.  It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie.  It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their “freedom”… and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of “paying my dues”), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I’m sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.  My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker.  Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement.  Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement.  All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time.  When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me).  I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be “healthier” eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn’t quite go there, but the impression was made.  I decided that I didn’t trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early ‘80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a ‘wet-behind-the-ears’ contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report ( 1706.shtml# ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here ( ic-taxlaw.shtml).


(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.


·     "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

·     "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

·     "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.


Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it’s not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d).  Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can’t believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time.  I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”.  Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise.  The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists).  This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle.  If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks.  Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s.  Our leaders decided that they didn’t need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that.  The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to “shore up” their windfall.  Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed.  Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare.  Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, ‘special’ facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months.  This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars … as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY!  After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I’m thinking that it might be good for a change.  Bye to California, I’ll try Austin for a while.  So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done.  I’ve never experienced such a hard time finding work.  The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages… and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn’t give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income.  I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn’t have any income there was no need.  The sleazy government decided that they disagreed.  But they didn’t notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out.  Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present.  After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I’d never enter another accountant’s office again.  But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle.  After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order.  I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting.  Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl’s unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn’t have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit.  By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented).  Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone.  The end result is… well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything.  Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”.  Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone.  The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough).  In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I’m hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand.  It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn’t limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after.  But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at “big brother” while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won’t continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less.  I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.  The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different.  I am finally ready to stop this insanity.  Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.


Joe Stack (1956-2010)


34 Comments in Response to

Comment by Nick Barnett
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Please show me ANYTHING that backs up your statement about communism being very pro freedom. I'm not talking about Marxism, I'm talking Communism. There is no possible way that from each man's ability to each man's need could ever coexist with freedom and individual liberties. What if I don't want to participate... then what?

Comment by Hot Karl Marx
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LoTek, communism is very pro-freedom. I understand you probably suffer from US propaganda, and probably even believe that the USSR fulfilled the tenets pf communism. But they were state capitalists, not much different than the US, dictator-run and brutally imperialistic. Stalin was about as "socialist" or "communist" as Dubya or Obama (same diff) are "democratic." Leaders use nice words to describe what they are doing, even if communism or democracy have literally nothing to do with what they are doing. [Note: socialism was attained briefly after the revolution, but was taken over by Stalin's dictatorship.]

Comment by Simon Serrano
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Texas is not homeland of Bush family? maybe the was needing something real¡¡¡¡and fresh¡¡ regards

Comment by Joe Salonia
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 If you notice Oreilly only mentioned the IRS part of the letter. He failed to mention the corrupt bankers and corporations, and polititions that Joe stack wrote about. Its about what the tea party movement is all about.   It want's to clean out the Whorehouse Washington DC, The District Of Criminals. The rest of the controlled press failed to mention the corporations and crooked bankers, described by Joe stack.Oreilly thinks hes a sohisticated smartass from Harvard PU. The probliem is too many in Washington came from these dum, dum colleges. Rhodes Scholars all they ever acomplished was to take care of their political bosses and crooked corporations. Joe stacks is an American hero,He gave his life to make a statement for us the American people. God bless Joe stack. Joe S

Comment by Joel Turner
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You need to know one thing in war you kill people you don't know, the military uses propaganda or racisim to get you to kill without much thought, it is drilled into you " killing is fun-fun is killing" .  Your comment that it wasn't a warriors death, a few Japanese might disagree with you, remember the Kamikazi, they dove there planes into ship loads of men he didn't know.

Comment by Charles Hallam
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it's said the women used to line up as the braves went along the path and they sang "we are Lakota women, you bring us the penises of our enemies or we will chop off yours upon return".


Sounds to me like your tribe's women folk need to have their heads examined. No, better yet, your men need their heads examined. Looks like your tribe is a Amazon tribe. Let your women run your men !!!!!

Comment by Karen Whalen
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You're either just about the looniest person who ever existed or you're a government TROLL (my vote).  Who has time to spew such ridiculous diatribe except someone who is paid to do it?  Seeing who and what your arrows will stick to. You say you're coming to town?  I say GO AWAY. 

Comment by Found Zero
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Reasoning from the converse:

Do you take time to pray before you paint your face and go into battle?

Oh wait, you guys don't paint your faces.....

Do you take time to pray before you go into battle?

Do you think Joe Stak prayed to his ancestors before he did what he did?

I mean do you think he did? Me, I dunno, I'm asking you. Do you think he saw the sun rise and asked God if he should kill?

I'm just asking you. Because such things are not unknown to my people and my teachers. Heck, the people of my Lakota teachers, you think the guys were blood thirsty? Shit man, it's said the women used to line up as the braves went along the path and they sang "we are Lakota women, you bring us the penises of our enemies or we will chop off yours upon return".

Sound familliar to any of you men? He. Kidding, but the point is there have been many warriors, many braves on this land. Some make it into songs. Some just fuck it up. Even in Lakota terms, this guy totally fucked it up: he neither brought penises to the tipi, he tried to burn it down and his family inclusive. I'm just saying this death makes no sense in the old ways or the new. All it did was bring up hard feelings at a time when the people don't need any more bad news.


we noticed that "depression" untreated will make a person inward-turning and selfish. They don't properly consider the feelings of others. Dominant culture treats this with anti-depressants and serratonin-uptake inhibotors and Gods knows what, but we have a different teaching. A whole different diagnosis and treatement.

What we call this is "muneishnuk", the "turn-around sickness". We see it in mare Moose. When she turns muneishnuk, she just turns around in circles, always trying to get at something just around the corner that never comes,

and she will get so distracted by this that she will trample her foals under foot and kill them. In other words, she will do the exact opposite of what she's supposed to do which is protect and defend and nurture the foals.

Bull moose never get this disease it seems but humans get it both male and female. Example: this guy just tried to kill his own wife and their child. Muneishnuk. Listen to his life's story: going in circles.

Know how we treat muneishnuk traditionally among women?

You grab them with force and shove them into the women't Long House and just hope they can deal with it.

Know how we dealt with muneishnuk among men? When all else failed? When we tried everything else?

We bound you arm and leg, head to toe and we threw you into a river or lake and said "if you want life, you better fight for it now because we can't save you".

Sounds tough but who wants a muneishkuk in the camp? They might flay an airplane into a building and besides, the women and kids have been cooped up for hours on the long house and if we're gonna do something, let's just get 'er done.

That was the old days and the old ways. I'm not saying we should just go dropping people into water like bread crumbs, I'm just saying there's a way we should be proactive in our own community somehow. Like, maybe we should all keep a lookout for folks that are too hot and lathered and might not be patiots, they might just be plumb bonkers. Or maybe needing a higher level of counseling than your average political activist organization is prepared to deal with.

I think that's the odd teaching of how we delt with muneishnuk is we try as a people to just identify it, isolate it from ourselves and we reaffirm that we're the reason why we all go on together and somehow we go on together and get better.

Now I have been open for many years to an alternative to drowning the muneishnuk in a lake and we can still heal as a sommunity, I'm all ears.

Comment by Found Zero
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WTG Temper. We have to be careful where we construe logic in reality. Sometimes they got nothing to do with each other.

As to this rhetoric of "they got what was coming to them", I'm not at peace with this for at one time they said that about us Indians and before they said that, they said we were heretics and before that they said we were pagans and before that they said we were Christians and before that, well, it was pagans and before that it was something else I forgot.

Our philospohy is great because it allows those people not to be "those people" but individuals.

Now if I had been out on those steps with my trusty rifle and saw the airplane on a collision course, I would have opened fire to try and knock that airplane out the the sky not to defend the IRS but the INDIVIDUALS inside that building. And if I had, I don't think I would have had time to consider the MOTIVES or the POTENTIAL JUSTIFICATION of the pilot, I just would have opened fire. Not because I hate the pilot, it's just I would have felt there were a whole lot of HUMANS in that building. And given as it's an office building, there might have been a higher than normal percantage of women in cute business skirts in that building which would have impelled my natural defense instinct, especially if I might have dropped my pretty wife off there for work that day.

 This was a slaugher of innocents. I don't care if you guys don't care that the body count has to be in the 100s or 1000s to make a difference to you, to me, 2 is exactly and precisely 2 too many. 1 is one too many.

Man I hate to break this to you but even some of the "Waco Murderers" are really, really bent to this day. And I would not trade their position for ours any day because we are clean. We are not murderers.

Given the reports as we know them, much as I feel for this guy, this was not a warrior's death, this was not a good thing.

It is one thing for a man to defend himself and his people.

It is one thing for a man to attack his enemies.

It is even one thing for a man to attack his perceied enemies.

But this man, if the tales be true, attacked people he did not even know. And this is honorless. And it's irreconcilable with our values as libertarians. Otherwise what the liberals say us about us is true: conservative value of life ends at birth.

 I say no. And from this spot I will not move. By Gods, I think I just became a Dog Soldier.

From this spot I will not move. But this time I know when I fave this wave of attack, when I look back, I will see my brothers nailed to their stakes and holding firm.

This day we will not give in to the forces of hated and intollerance. Not this day and not when this sun rises.

Anybody takes a notion to do random violence as this sun rises better eat your Wheaties because Oyate is come to town.

Comment by Karen Whalen
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 Anyone who believes that is a real 'suicide' note for more than one second should have THEIR head examined.  It's all just too convenient and 'cute'. What a joke.   Nor have I ever seen a suicide note with hyperlinks!  and a suicide note that talks about Ritz crackers and ponders childhood feelings?  weird.  Smells like another SPLC supported event.

Comment by Duncan Adams
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"These people who work in those buildings are not innocent victims. If they work in the federal building, they're the very people that are typing the letters, that are making the phone calls, that are getting your land taken away from you, that are calling you up on Internal Revenue Service, that want to confiscate all of your guns. These are the same people who womp up charges against you. These are the very same people that are all involved, every one of them. I don't care whether they are any more than a clerk or the high muckety-muck, or the guy out there who's got BATF painted on this back, and he's the one who's knocking your door down. These people are not innocent victims. These are people that operate and move the system against you and I. These are people that have sold out to the system. These are the people that are against you and I." --John Dayl, on the Oklahoma City Bombing, talk radio host for KFYI, Phoenix, from July 21, 1996.
Comment by Joel Turner
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This event troubles me deeply, first Gregory Girard of Massachusetts arrested for weapons,food stock pile and alledged comments on martial law,court ordered to undergo mental evaluation. Now Joe Stack acting in a rash manner, I'm fearfull of the knee jerk reaction this will cause. People please keep a eye out I think S1959 might be revived soon, and if it is then we are all in deep trouble. 

Comment by Christopher Broughton
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It's too bad it didn't "collapse" like building 7 with everyone in it. Maybe that's a bit too harsh... There may have been a poor janitor or two inside amongst all those thugs.

Comment by Chip Saunders
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PREDICTION: Whether he actually was or was not;...this man WILL be linked to the Tea Party crowd. Remember all the militia hysteria surrounding Tim McViegh;...even though he was never in nor sought out any militia group?


Watch how they play this. It will be ugly.

Comment by Anonymous
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Sanity?  Oh yea, Oyate, there is no doubt this guy was waaaaay over the edge.   To check out by flying a plane into a building he had to be a real loony in his last hours - yet I'll bet some will still see him as a patriotic loony and ranking not too far behind those yahoos at the Alamo.    

Bye the bye - what is SPLC? 

Comment by Nick Bravo
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I smell a psy-op! The fact alone that fire fighters and hazmat were there before the incident and that the buildings 200 employees were not seriously injured given the damage to the building. This incident will create a lot of effects, one being that it will be harder for private individuals to get pilot licenses and there will be tighter screenings for those who get licenses, also higher fees which will keep a lot of private people from flying. This also gives pretext for the upcoming assasination attempt on obama, people will blame the right and there will potentially be race riots....thus ushering in martial law. Also, there's a good chance that this will be the summer of hell. If you have the chance to move to the countryside, do it! you'll be far safer when shit hits the fan. The guy was a nut, yes he got screwed over. BUT he chose to throw away his life as well as attempt to kill people to whom he was nothing but a number on a computer screen. Personally, my life is worth far more than any bureacrat and i'd never throw mine away on one.

Comment by Found Zero
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Fuck, I just caught myself in one of my own personal traps;

And activist never complains but gets busy on a solution.

By saying "this bones" I just obligated myself to provide a solution.

This one is hard teaching. I take from the "suicide note" which as Denninger correctly identifies as a "homicide note".

This man's history clearly tells a story of a guy trying to do right, but who was repeatedly screwed. In this story which I first skimmed and then read with Denninger's insight, shows me a man who had given up on himself and his own worth as a man. And one of my early comments was to observe how thin a line it is between a person feeling like they are worthless and feeling like everybody else is too.

My experience as a former EMT and other things shows me this.

 MY COUNSEL: I have seen many people now who were formerly awesome people destabilize psychologically. I adjure you people to be alert for persons who exhibit anormal behavior EVEN IF THEIR FINACIAL SITUATION SEEMS TO EXPLAIN IT.

And I will tell you people, with the modern-day level of chemical dependency and mood-altering drugs people seem to take, it might sometimes mask the symptoms of a person falling apart.

I do not see the "news" as reported on these events as being "fact", it seems that there is much more on this storey than a patriot wigging out and trying to kill people. I suspect that we are seeing pathology.

In a time such as this, I suggest our first duty is to simply take a moment of silence, each in ourselves and honor the innocent victims and then try to figure out some kind of answer. Not to necessarily take responsibility in this action, but to try to be alert and look out for one another, because if this man's storey is true, where did we fail to hear it before? Why does it come to us as a surprise?

Why did this man not reach out to us before or if he did, where did we fail to recognize this threat?

Obviously we cannot be responsible for all actions of independent men, but as we grow into being a community, let us not first seek to assign blame outwards, let us first look inwards and see if the seeds of evil exist in us.

I know it is early but our purpose is to protect the weak. In this instance, the weak are not our own. They are innocent bystanders. Our first job is to seek the healing of the community at large. How we do this is up to all of us. Each of us in our way. It's what we do best.

Wopi La Tonka.

Comment by Found Zero
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Temper, not to gang up on you, but Brock and I are in rare consonance "as given what we know". Which are thus: it is very hard to construe what we know now (as reported) as being the actions of a man of honour or even sanity.

This is hard for our movement to digest but it's something I allowed to that woman from the SPLC I was talking to a while ago, what's-her-name, but in a moment of candor I had to wonder if, like "it's probale that our rhetoric attracts nut cases in our day as yours did in your liberal communistic sphere in your day".

And what's-her-name did not refute the statement but rather said "yes, that is very possible".

OK kids, you want the bad news or the good news first?

The good news is we advanced the message further in the past 3 years than we have in the past 30.

The bad news is we're all associated with nut jobs now. And it will take a LONG time to get over this one because the MSM has and is about to do a joberoo on us.

My final judgement on this plane crash terrorist thing is this bones bigtime.

Comment by J E Andreasen
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This tragic act reminds me of the final scene in "Falling Down" where the fellow has a thousand mile stare, looks quizzically at the cop, and says "How did that happen?  I did everything they told me too ..."   Damn.  I wish I did not understand EXACTLY how these guys felt.  But, I do.  I

Comment by Brock Lorber
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Temper Bay, I know your lack of sympathy is quite different from advocation, but there will always be differences in morality between individuals.

The universally-preferable response to differences in morals is ostracism - other responses are plagued with inconsistencies.

The universally-preferable response to physical threats against persons and property is protection of persons first, and then property. 

If, as Stack suggests, the government was threatening to confiscate his wealth, that is a threat against his past.  By endangering lives, though, Stack threatened those people's present and future; that's not an ethical nor universally-preferable response.

That's the long way of saying, "two wrongs don't make a right."

Comment by Anonymous
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Perhaps Oyate, but the last news report I heard was that the family pulled up to the already burning house - so, if true, he didn't try to waste his family.

I don't have sympathy for any IRS personnel killed.  I agree that taking innocent lives is morally repugnant but that hardly applies to the IRS; that organization has taken more innocents out and destroyed countless more then this clown could have ever hoped to do. 

Comment by Nick Barnett
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I just saw an interview of an eye witness who stated that she saw a fire truck and hazmat crew on site before the crash happened.

Also, Infowars is reporting that FBI agents were dispatched yesterday from DFW to Austin:

Comment by Found Zero
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Powell, don't worry about it, the first report I got was a plane had crashed into a house, causing it to burn, pilot dead but occupants unharmed.

Then I thought the pic of the burning office building on FP to be one of your usual editorial tricks of broadening the statement of the poster.

This story came a long way in a few hours.

Comment by Elbow Room
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The pilot's 7 page letter

Comment by Found Zero
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Temper Bay, "giving his all for freedom?" Well he gave a few other people's all too. It's looking like he tried to burn his house down with his family inside of it. If the story as it's emerging is true, I don't see this guy going down as any hero.

Taking innocent life is morally repugnant.

Comment by Powell Gammill
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Well gosh, this morning the media was reporting a plane hit an apartment building.  That is what I get for not keeping up with disaster stories...or trusting the lamestream media.

Comment by Anonymous
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Don't know if it is true but I've heard there is already a move on to petition the Pope to canonze this guy.  He would certainly qualify as a polital martyr, albeit a militant one, and I'm sure among many groups he will be remembered as a patriot, giving his all for freedom.

Comment by Powell Gammill
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So why not hit the IRS building instead of an apartment complex?  Motive?

Comment by Found Zero
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So was this a deliberate act? Well if it wasn't then what's the alternative explanation?

Lesson: if for whatever reason you feel like your life is worthless you are too few steps away from considering everybody else's life worthless.

Comment by Patriot 2012
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I am not surprised not one bit....the IRS is an Illegal Group against the Constitution and the people. we all know...this is NOT our true Government. We've been taken over by those that DO NOT care or protect the Constitution rather than USE it for their own purposes.  We need more of these Patriots giving up their lives against the Traitors in DC. All the Arm forces need to not participate in these Illegal Acts. Yes, Violence is the Answer! Must Be. why ? because those in power will never leave or follow the Laws the rest of us have to follow until we've made it clear to them differently. They have been using Violence against the American People for a very very long time. Read your Constitution and see just how your Representatives in Government are in line with it! Otherwise if not, they are the Domestic enemies.

Comment by Found Zero
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First suicide note I've seen with hyperlinks.

Guy tells a tale that's becoming familiar, way familiar in the tech world. Yeah that "high tech industry" that was supposed to replace all of our goods producing industry?

It only took a few years lag for India, China, Pakistan, the former Soviet bloc to get PCs, learn English and absorb most of it overseas. Pretty much took most of us down to what the painter or paperhanger brings home.

I know a guy with 3x my development capability that worked his way up to assistant manager of a convenience store and he wouldn't trade all that stability for another tech job for all the tea in China.

Comment by Nick Barnett
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The guy closed his suicide note with this statement:

"The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed."

That in the midst of him saying he is "dying for freedom"... something doesn't look right.

Comment by Gene Kernan
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Did no one catch that this is/was "the Echelon building"? 

Comment by Trouser Chili
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Did the building collapse into its own footprint yet due to the intense heat of the fires from the airplane fuel?

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