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Obama Personally Oversees 'Secret Kill List': NYT

• http://www.commondreams.org, Common Dreams staff
 President Obama, who ran for the nation's highest office on a promise to close Guantanamo and end the war in Iraq, has now become a president who personally oversees a covert assassination program that allows a small group of top US officials to monitor, select, and mark for death those it alone deems a threat to national security.
 
A new report in the New York Times, based on interviews with three dozen of his current and former advisers, says that when Obama - often chided as a 'liberal constitutional professor' -- "applies his lawyering skills to counterterrorism, it is usually to enable, not constrain, his ferocious campaign against Al Qaeda — even when it comes to killing an American cleric in Yemen, a decision that Mr. Obama told colleagues was 'an easy one.'"

17 Comments in Response to

Comment by Ana Panot
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George Voit … Ufactdirt -- let me inform you that this cuckoo who used to live in a dumpsite, does not know what "due process" is. He pretends to know. One time he thinks it is "baseball". In another, he also thinks it is some kind of food, a dessert -- an "apple pie".

The next time he will tell you is that "due process" is similar to terrorism because terrorism sounds like aneurism -- a bulging artery between his two ears.

He is a sicko, folks. No use wasting your time talking to a homeless mental freak who used to eat dog food. There is this old saying that what you are is what you eat.

I know who this freak is. He wanted to arrange a meeting date with me ... but what I found out about him gave me the creeps! You don’t want to know. Ay, mi Patria!

Comment by Courtney Jalospanis
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Judging from PureTrust’s nonsensical comments, I don’t think he understands what “due process” means.

Comment by Ed Price
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Due process law is as American as baseball, as Grandma's apple pie. What terrorist country are you terrorists working out of that you are so against America?

The NDAA is being used as a ploy by Obama and the Congress to ferret out terrorists like you. And you are proving that you are terrorists by speaking against American due process, one of the foundations of American law.

If the NDAA "law" is used against American citizens, and the case goes to court as a serious test case, the NDAA will be struck down as unConstitutional by the judicial - unless, of course, Obama uses it against all the judges first, so that there is nobody left to try the cases.

You jokers are sooooo anti-American.

Comment by George Voit
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 "There is no law that operates without due process?"  You must be kidding me. NDAA is a law that has no due process for captured terrorists and terrorist suspects.  What planet did you come from PureTrust?

Comment by Boston Releigh
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 You don't know what you are talking about.  Read NDAA. You are the only one who does not know that NDAA denies terrorists and terrorist suspects due process. I have been trying to knock this information into your skull. You have been talking about law that has due process like an idiot. NDAA is a law that has no due process for terrorists and terrorist suspects like you.

Comment by Ed Price
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Furthermore, as I said below, there are no American citizen terrorists until they have been adjudicated as such in a court of law, by a jury of their peers, having the opportunity to face their accuser(s).

There might be alleged terrorists, and there might be terrorist suspects, but in America, if they are citizens, they are not terrorists until they are judged so in a court of law.

Anybody in law enforcement who does not respect this, is a terrorist suspect. Why? Because he is causing terror among the unsuspecting citizens that he has been hired to protect.

Comment by Ed Price
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Look at what you are doing to yourself, brag. All laws operate by due process. A law cannot come into being except by due process. Since a law comes into being by due process, it has confirmed due process. So, if the law, within itself, denies due process, then it is denying itself. It can't have it both ways. Either it has due process, or it does not. Either it is a law or it is not. Laws only become laws by due process. There is no option for a law that by-passes due process. It will be struck down in the courts.

But YOU, brag. Look at what you are doing by suggesting this. You are suggesting that you do NOT want due process in America. Which military were you in? Al Qaeda? By your desires to uphold a fake, no-due-process law, you are disclaiming America. You are showing yourself to be a terrorist.

If you had disclaimed America and United States due process by accident, by misunderstanding, it would be one thing. Everybody is entitled to make mistakes. But when you start to term, on a regular basis, fellow Americans as idiots and morons, because you are unwilling to dispute their points logically and legally, this is when it starts becoming evident that you are a foreign terrorist.

Watch yourself. The very so-called law that you attempt to uphold, the NDAA, just might be used to remove you from our forum presence.
 

Comment by Boston Releigh
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PureTrust, you know what, you are caught in your moronic comment that Obama should observe due process when in fact the law he is implementing to catch terrorists HAS NO DUE PROCESS ... The law is National Defense Authorization Act, that denies due process to terrorists and terrorist suspects. Only morons would say that under the law Obama is implementing to catch terrorists and terrorist suspects, Obama is SHOULD observe due process. What due process? The law denies due process. What garbage you are now saying to get out of your moronic predicament where you are caught redhanded, is a foul smell that you fart in the air. So idiotic!

Comment by Ed Price
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You know, brag, there are two interesting and opposing points about you.

1. You hate terrorists. You want peace, liberty and freedom. This is wonderful. This is in fact great.

2. You are a former military person. Because the military inside of itself acts like a dictatorship, and because things in the military work out reasonably well, without realizing it, you are in favor of a dictatorship as the form of Government we should have in the whole United States of America.

The thing you forget is that the military dictatorship is limited by a non-dictatorship form of Government. The military would be a whole lot different if it were the whole Government - if there were no democratic Republic. Take a look at some of the South America third-world countries.

Before you go on with attempts to glorify dictatorship, think about it deeply. Because if you continue to speak in the direction of Dictatorship for America, you are speaking in the direction of treason and terrorism, just like Obama is.

Comment by Ed Price
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NDAA has not been properly tested in the courts for its Constitutionality. Once a proper case comes about that tests it in the courts, it will be struck down as unConstitutional, making it not-law from its inception. A proper case is one that tests NDAA without interference from other laws at the same time, in the same trial. Since NDAA attempts to by-pass cue process altogether, it is unConstitutional on the face of it. Only criminals and terrorists will use it as though it were law.

Comment by Ed Price
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One more quick point. Since there are no American citizen terrorists until they are so judged by a jury of their peers, the best thing that could happen to a non-violent citizen who is plotting terrorism, one who would be found guilty if he made it to trial, is to die at the hands of law enforcement before he makes it to trial. Why? Because he will forever remain not-a-terrorist, because he was not allowed a chance to face his accusers in court. So his good family name will not be tarnished - except by the media, of course.

In a case like this, there should be investigation into law enforcement to see if they had become murders by killing a non-violent American citizen without giving him a chance to make it to trial... like in the case of Jose Guerena.

Comment by Boston Releigh
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"He is a President, himself under specific laws designed for presidents... there is due process that he must follow to keep from becoming a terrorist himself."

The law he is implementing is NDAA. This law denies due process ... under this law, there is no due process for Obama to follow ... moron.

Comment by Ed Price
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Thank you. And Pearl Harbor in the 4th paragraph of my below comment.

Comment by Ed Price
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Of course Obama needs to be hard on terrorists. Yet there is due process that he must follow to keep from becoming a terrorist himself. Obama is not a king. He is a President, himself under specific laws designed for presidents.

Due process says that every American citizen terrorist, who is not caught in a violent act, must be processed through the court systems, judged by a jury of his peers. If the jury acquits him, he was never a terrorist in the first place, and the Obama administration made a mistake, no matter how much they would like to call the accused a terrorist.

Due process says that there is no reason for Obama to send troops to attack anyone in any country anywhere, without that person or country having committed a direct, violent act of aggression against America. All of the presidents in the last 5 decades, Obama included, sent troops to countries around the world against due process of law.

If the presidents have concluded that there is aggression being done against America, it is the Judiciary that must make the judgement, and the Congress that must order the troop movement by proclaiming war. The only exception to this is emergencies. Outside of the supposed 911 Afghan attack (which we are seeing was an inside job after all), there have been no emergencies of the kind that would allow the President to use war powers without the go-ahead from Congress - none whatsoever - none since we gained our freedom back in the late 1700s.

There is no excuse when it is against due process. When it is against due process, it is against the law, it is criminal activity, it is against the Oath of Office, in some circumstances it is terrorist activity, being done by our President Obama, and all the other presidents in the last 50 years or more. And in some cases, it is treason.

Show us the due process Obama followed? Even the law that allows him to send troops into a country for 90 days, on his own, without Congress approval, is to be used in emergencies. It is not to be used by the President just to see how much he can get away with playing God.

Obama is an utter disgrace to all of America and what America stands for. At least in the eyes of the informed citizenry of America and the world. But we, Congress, and the Judiciary are a shameful bunch of chicken-shits for letting him get away with it.
 

Comment by Bertha Anonimo
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If President Obama does not oversee the "Secret-Kill List" to kill terrorists, I would fault him as remiss of his duty as the nation's Commander-in-Chief. For national security and for the safety of every American, he must punch hard on terrorists and terrorist suspects -- not throw flowers on them with an apology that as President, he is sorry he has to kill them one by one, down to the last man of their murderous tribe.

Comment by Boston Releigh
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 He has to. In this counterterrorism war, he is the Commander-In-Chief.

Comment by Powell Gammill
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