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Think cooperating with "authority" is a good idea? Think again.

The civilized person in each of us wants to be polite and kind to other people. We tend to answer people when they ask us something, and do little things if someone asks (i.e., holding the door for someone, letting someone pull into traffic in front of us, etc.).  We've also been trained to respect and obey "authority." So when someone in "law enforcement" asks someone a question, or asks to be allowed to check something, or search somewhere, most people instantly and unthinkingly comply. After all, if you're one of the good guys, why wouldn't you cooperate with the police?

Well, I'm here to tell you, good people have an obligation to refuse to "cooperate" with authoritarians, as much as possible, even when "cooperating" would be easy and apparently harmless, and even when refusing to cooperate feels rude and pointless.

The reason for this is simple. Whatever intrusions, interrogations, stops, searches, and other inconveniences you will voluntarily submit yourself to, you are implicitly telling the thugs posing as "authority" that they have the right to demand such things of you. And when everyone does that, the police start expecting it, and start seeing it as criminal when someone does not "volunteer" to be harassed, detained, interrogated and searched. (Go to any airport in the country if you need proof of that.)

Consider the occasional random traffic stops that are done across the country (including right in front of my house). The cops stop everyone, ask if they've been drinking, where they're going, and some other things, and shine a flashlight around in their cars to look for possible evidence of crime. Just about everyone quietly submits, thinking that's what a good person would do.

It's not. Politely cooperating amounts to giving your blessing to the thugs of "authority" stomping on the Fourth and Fifth amendments. When their victims don't resist, or don't at least politely object, it teaches the state's mercenaries that treating people like that is perfectly fine, and teaches them that anyone who does not like to be treated like a criminal must be a criminal. (How's that for ironic?) In case you think that's an exaggeration, consider the fact that the federal fascists, in their own memos, have listed the following as possible indications that someone is a domestic terrorist: the person might "request authority for [a police] stop," or might "make numerous references to [the] U.S. Constitution," or might "attempt to 'police the police'." Here is the FBI's own memo saying that:

So now asking why a cop stopped you, or invoking your Constitutional rights, or keeping an eye on the local cops to see if they're behaving properly, are signs that you're a criminal, or even a terrorist?! How did this country ever come to that? Simple. With every new infringement on individual liberty, most people decided to quietly go along with it. They thought it was the good thing to do. As a result, the people have come to think like slaves, and their oppressors have come to think like slave-masters. And every time you are polite and cooperative with someone in "law enforcement" when he is doing something unjustified and unconstitutional (which is most of the time), you are adding to the problem. Yes, you might make less trouble for yourselves today, but you are also building the police state that your kids are going to have to live in. (Try asking some people who lived in 1940's Germany whether, in the long run, quietly going along with whatever "law enforcement" said is really a good idea.)

If, on the other hand, you refuse to talk to those in "law enforcement," refuse to consent to any search, demand to know why a cop stopped you, and what justification he has for inconveniencing you at all, it's a safe bet that the cops won't like you. They might even make trouble for you. But they will also know, for all their thuggery and self-importance, that they are not your masters, and never will be. Sure, they still have the ability to taser you, beat you up, even kill you. The point is, if you grovel, say "yes, officer," and comply with their every whim, they don't need to do any of those other things, because you are already their slave.
And it's a safe bet that if you do those things yourself, you are also training your children to be slaves as well. If you wouldn't sell your kids into slavery, why would you donate them into slavery? If you're too much of a coward to resist tyranny for your own sake, at least think of what you are training your children to be. Instead of teaching them to unquestioningly bow to "authority," I have a better idea: teach your kids that they own themselves, and that they are not the property of the state. (For starters, you could have them read "The Iron Web.")

8 Comments in Response to

Comment by Killer Cop (21400)
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We should exchange links. I like the way you think.



Comment by unsheepled michael (21249)
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Too many sheeple will just goose step along with the fascism... just like they did in Nazi Germany..

the brainwashing is so complete for most Americans, there is little hope left... after all right now they weeping and sobbing and ..(never mind) over M.Jackson while the gubermint is voting on  a huge tax increase...cap & trade

sheeple oblivious- deserve the wolves that will eat them...to bad it hurts more than just the sheeple..

Good night America, and  good luck!

Comment by Kaptain Steve (19132)
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There is NOT two sides to the story, there is only ONE!  All rights are reserved to an INDIVIDUAL.  I don't care about what a policemen or government wants, it does not justify the violation of my individual rights.  THE  ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS!

Comment by Found Zero (11589)
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there's always a middle path. to universally apply "thuggery" to all officers is inaccurate. and civility remains a good value, a virtue for good reasons.

so there's a way to assert your rights politely.

and there are two sides to every story. look at it from theirs. for decades we've been clamoring for more border security and fewer illegals. so they supply it and what do we do? bitch ourselves dry in the mouth about it. it's just kind of funny.

is it so impossible to see how we look like a bunch of loones sometimes?

Comment by Rusty Shackleford (17954)
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If you have nothing to hide....


Four years ago....Your son, a strait A student needs to borrow the car to drop off the library books he has been using to get a head start on his science fair project...going to pick up a few more books...your kid returns within the hour...he is a good kid.


A couple of weeks later you decide to wash your car...You get pulled over because one of the screws that holds your license plate on was loose when you went through the car wash, screw comes out and your license plate is now hanging and some of the numbers are obscured by the bumper...this is why you are pulled over. The cop is polite, checks things out and is going to give you a verbal warning when he notices a Zip-Lock baggie on the passenger side floor...the cop kind of suspects something...asks "You don't mind if I search your car do you. You say no.


Did you meen no! I don't want you to search my car...or no... I don't mind? (afterall you have nothing to hide)


Anyway he searches and picks up the baggie....you say oh'  my wife wrapped yesterday's sandwich in that (should have cleaned out the inside of the car when you were at the car wash...slob)


The cop can now see the mustard , mayonnaise and breadcrumbs...but crap since he has your consent to search(?) he looks in the back seat and finds another baggie...this time it has what looks like white crystals in it, The cop tests it...it turns blue...and you are now handcuffed and arrested for possession of crystal meth!....They search your house too and find more "Meth" hidden in some of the books your kid checked out of the library....


Your relationship with  'good kid' is in shambles...how could that stupid little punk be so careless!!! Now after a year of being in and out of jail, the fines and lawyer fees amount to over $75,000...you lost your job...spent the kid's college money defending yourself...your wife hopes that the marriage survives........your son, the strait A student, the one that wanted to become a doctor (the little punk, that in your mind, caused all this) is now flipping burgers because you were so mad at him...you kicked him out of the house.....


But it isn't all that bad. Today....you see, a reformed junkie putting his life back together, studying at the library.... notices an old newspaper clipping about your plight....there is mention of the library books "your kid had his stash in"....He thinks back to the three bags of 'meth' he lost...and then it comes to him...he must have put them between the pages of a book...and then returned it to the library...the time frame is about right....


The reformed junkie does the honorable thing and pays you a visit...and now it all comes clear to you ..... and then you think maybe you should go apologize to your son...but after four years your not sure where he is flipping burgers....



Comment by Freed Radical (3141)
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Hoby--You must be on the wrong website or smoking crack, The legal system is so completely stacked against the citizen that it is ridiculous. Just say no to jack-booted thuggery! And read Larken's book about the IRS if you want to know how bad things really are for the honest citizen in America. Eric

Comment by Rocky Frisco (15250)
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Baa baa baa bleat bahhh baaaah!

Comment by Dayton Herron (20850)
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In my humble opinion we should co-operate with those in authority.  It is the legal system that has given the advantage to the criminal that has caused the heavy handedness of our authorities.  The lawyers and courts have made it extremely difficult to prosecute and there is no punishment for that, but there should be.  Our cost would go way down if we rewarded those who co-operte with lighter sentences and punished more severly those who once caught do not co-operate.