Found  Zero

More About: Activism

They hate us because we want to be free?

The case can be made for both left and right that we don't take our positions because we hate each other or America. Conservatives aren't conservatives because we hate poor and black people, there are many of same among us.
Similarly liberals aren't liberal because they hate freedom and America. But the rhetoric employed by both sides would have one believe so.

No matter how opposed one's ideology, it doesn't take too much thinking to see good intentions in people.
Liberals react to a system they see as corrupt and unfair to the "disadvantaged" and one could interpret that as human kindness as easily as a plot to undermine republican values. And for our part, many liberals do find value in our message as evidenced by our off-and-on company with author Noami Wolfe, activist Cindy Sheehan and journalist Amy Goodman. Each of these are without doubt about as liberal as they come and yet the friendly encounters continue. Add to the fact that many liberal voters joined us in the campaign for Ron Paul, and many of these went right back to being liberals when the campaign was over.

The fact that they weren't entirely converted doesn't mean they aren't open minded. Being open minded doesn't include changing one's position, it's about appreciating somebody else's.

As the MSM is quick to point out the confrontational and rowdy nature of recent town hall meetings, and as we in the grassroots start to piece together how this phenomenon came about, we and our leftist counterparts were quick to point out the establishment roots which seem to have catalyzed these events. I consider my hypothesis confirmed at this point: this thing really is about as grassroots as astro-turf. Although in our case, the astroturf is covering over the real thing. I'll get back to that later.

Because we were as quick to point out the democratic establishment response from top to the very street-level-bottom in a flash. They started rolling out muscle and things started to get ugly street-side.

So the secret seems to be out but nobody is listening. Everybody is crying fowl and pointing the finger but everybody is standing in the outhouse while they do it.

In a tactical sense, it might seem like a great idea. "When the government fears the people there is freedom". Well, the democratic response to date has been to close down public access, retreat behind closed doors and work things out with friendly parties. This describes every political party or activity I have ever seen. But in a strategic sense, all that's really been accomplished is "they" have "us" fighting each other.
In a strategic sense, for "us", it's a one-hit-wonder. We yell at them, they close the process down so uh....I guess we don't get to pull that trick again. For them, they score. Because "we" end up more polarized and intransigent than ever.

Now the issue has at one level become a massive game of tit-for-tat. Libs say we can't protest. Cons are fascists. Everybody is somebody's fascist these days. We should everybody in America just wear Swastika t-shirts one day and get it over with. Just to piss the real neo-nazis off because nothing makes something more meaningless than applying it to everything.

When the accusation and the retort are the very same word, we're set up for a simple escalation we all know from childhood: "your another" and "your a bigger one". It becomes so boring to both parties that they have to resort to "your momma" jokes.

Meanwhile, the people in charge of the game, the "adults" are laughing while they count their money. Their attack dogs are wondering when they get to use some of their cool new cop gear.


You know this wasn't grassroots because any nationally coordinated action has to be argued to death, dissected, multiple email blasts full of ALL CAPS and EVERYBODY MUST DO THIS NOW and at least 20 pages of forum threads. There would have been networking between cities and our many broadcast channels arranging live, continuous, all day coverage with simultaneous video feeds from everyplace. Endorsements from OUR groups would have been all over the place and way way better signs. That's a dead give-away. Our signs always rule.

Yeah, this little number was put on by the GOP establishment and it seems the liberal establishment was just waiting for it.

This little dance is the literal and real result of the "teabagger takeover". See when the boys at FoxNews saw how easily Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Limbaugh and the masters of hate could co-opt our movement in rhetorical terms and not only duplicate our ability to mobilize on the street but in many ways OUT MOBILIZE US, that got them thinking.

They realized we were onto something, and they asked themselves if they could do it, if they could just hop into the driver's seat, with their superior MSM capability, could they out-revolution the R3VOlUTION?

Yes they can, yes they can. They did. They did it once and they just did it again with the Townhall Beating affair. That was the GOP taking over our territory. Now what do you suppose they will do with this new territory? This new resource? This new power?

We were waiting for a backlash from infiltrating them with the RP campaign. Well here it is as our worst nightmare. Worse than repudiating and resisting us, they just BECAME US IN THE PUBLIC EYE. Make no mistake in their new rhetoric. They are not "converted" and while Glenn Beck is undoubtably "seeing the light", I think it's a combination of stage lights and hallucinogens.

Welcome to astro turf. We're still here, we're still us but they lie over us like a blanket. And what to do about it for us as a movement is going to be tough. With Napolitano we're joined at the hip with FoxNews/Rupert Murdock and with Ron Paul we're joined at the hip to the GOP. It's what I would call "sand in the craw"; something we can't really digest but we can't spit out. Ideologically we're distinct but perceptually we're just a faction now.


7 Comments in Response to

Comment by Edwin Sumcad
Entered on:

 I cannot ignore the central topic of these exchanges because freedom of expression is important to me. Without taking any side yet, I think you guys are brilliant and deep – this I must honestly say to all of you -- starting from  Oyate’s versatile writing that I cannot help but commend, Psychictaxi’s command of logic, and those observed input coming from the empirical reactions of Ducatijeanne, Lucky Red, Don Wills and Chip Saunders. I guess the public is as interested as I am in what we are reading, and I think a silent audience is also watching. But I feel left out from this lively discussion because I am neither a neocon nor a lib.  I am just a floating butterfly – a friend once told me – that when disquieted by any threat to freedom, or hurt by something not fair or when injustice is done to others, stings like a bee.

     Be considerate in hammering on personalities because to the other side you cannot be less worse than they are and what you are doing to them will also be done unto you. And please watch the language used.  I might take a long vacation to Alaska if it’s going to get worse.  #


Comment by Ed Vallejo
Entered on:

I don't know what AZS you are referring to, Chip.


ALSO: Funny the first poster didn't include his/her/ITS NAME!?!  That's common for someone disagreeing with the writer... LOL


Comment by Found Zero
Entered on:

I like that one Ed. Shadeg said he was following the advice of those closest to him. Shadeg and every other politician knows those closest to them are the big money bank contributors.

And for this he gets applause? Dang.

And old ladies saying we all need to get behind Glenn Beck. Well we heard the same thing about Limbaugh and all the televangelists too. These are the people who "tell the truth".

In a couple of days I'll pose some positive examples of ways to respond. It's pretty much down our alley anyways.

Comment by Chip Saunders
Entered on:

 Hey Psychictaxi,...are you active on AZS? If yes, what is your nom de plume over there?

Comment by Don Wills
Entered on:

Whew! I'm with the previous poster about the incoherence of this article. Maybe it was generated by a computer program trying to win the Turing test (see

Comment by Dave Hodges
Entered on:

With what little sense I could make when I read and reread this article, I have to politely say that you just dont get it. Your attempts to qualify today's events as being about race or liberal vs. conservative philosophies is so far off base. There is a struggle in our country and around the world that is attempting to put the majority of us on the plantation by any means possible and this type of mental masturbation is not going to help reverse what is happening. I hope that you are one of the protected few. If not, may God protect you and yours

Comment by Ed Vallejo
Entered on:

Applause means that the audience is pleased with what the speaker is saying, right?

What does it mean then when a school cafeteria is so packed with people (supposedly irate about the government's proposed Healthcare plan) that I cannot get in - to hear the SINGLE PERSON responsible for the once-voted-down BAILOUTS to be resurrected, and PASSED - applauding whatever it was that John SShadegg said?  To me, that means it must have been pretty groovy smoke he was blowing up the people's asses, and I don't care WHAT he said.  He appeased the masses somehow.  The heavy police presence that was warning everyone that this would be a 'civil discussion', and anyone that didn't toe the line would be ejected probably helped.

Later that evening at The Gun Counter Open Carry Dinner, I spoke with a fellow firearms enthusiast that was there early enough to get a good seat, and heard Mr. SShadegg's speach, told me that he addressed the bailout issue for them.  He claimed that he was sorry, that he had made a mistake, and that it was all on the bad advice that he had followed from those closest to him at the time.

I call this "The Glen Beck Syndrome".

For those of you "Non-Astroturf" Patriots that actually campaigned for Ron Paul, I'm sure you remember Mr. Beck the same way as I do - the YouTubes are there for anyone to review (like that's going to happen).  Now he gets' a $50 MILLION dollar contract to move to Fox - SEES THE LIGHT - and now is a driver in the fight for the People?  Leader in the '9-12 Movement', and now there are 'activated' little old ladies with home-made signs at protests telling me we 'really need to get behind Glen Beck - he's the only one telling the truth on tv!"

This is just a moniker of SUCCESS as far as I'm concerned.  We did enough to worry them enough that THEY HAVE HAD TO ACT TO COOPT US!  Great.  I liken him to a Pharisee.  Do what they say, but do not do what they do!

Gives me more time to prepare for what is inevitable to come.

Thanks for the words, Oyate.


Join us on our Social Networks:


Share this page with your friends on your favorite social network: