Or the bizarre golf-ball-sized rocks sitting 24,000 feet beneath the Pacific Ocean that might determine whether America wins or loses the next industrial revolution.

But then again, most people haven't spent an evening drinking bourbon in a snowstorm with Tom Albanese.

Tom spent the last 50 years digging valuable things out of the earth. He's run one of the biggest mining companies on the planet, worked in more than 100 countries, and somehow managed to convince me that the future of AI, electric vehicles, national security, skilled trades, and American manufacturing might depend on a bunch of metal-covered rocks sitting 24,000 feet beneath the Pacific Ocean.

Seriously.

By the end of the night, we found ourselves talking about copper, rare earth minerals, deep sea robotics, China, Dirty Jobs, and why America forgot that if something can't be grown… it has to be mined. It's one of the strangest and most fascinating conversations I've had in a long time, which is why I invited him on my podcast.

Fair warning—after this episode, you'll never look at your phone, your power bill, or the bottom of the ocean the same way again.