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Comment by Anonymous
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     911 attacks were the handwork of terrorists in the name of Islamic Jihad.  No matter how many angels from hell say and what they say that this is wrong, does not and will never make it right. It will not work even if you summon all the angels of the universe to keep it saying for you that Osama bin Laden and his minions did not carry out these attacks and that the government did it, because it just like beating a dead horse.

      No use beating a dead horse. Why this 911 myth continues to live in the mind of anti-government radicals or remain on top of the agenda of a group of Leftists and Libertarian extremists and their allies – the anti-New World Order horsemen of the Apocalypse -- that want to create a new America without taxation, without a central bank [abolish the Federal Reserve [!]], and without a central regulatory authority called “the Government” that they believe interferes with the exercise of their individual freedom, does not really require the brain of rocket scientists to understand.  911 is fall of melodramatic opportunities to bash-in a hated government, and the enemy of the state from within and without would never let it go. That’s where the limelight is. That’s were they can ask a limitless number of doubting questions that feed into the insatiable hunger of a voracious Media for sensational news!

 

    However, no matter what they do, they cannot make a lie out of the truth that 911 was a terrorist attack against the United States in the name of Islamic Jihad. They cannot also make a truth out of their lie that it was the U.S. government who plotted and carried out the attacks, not by those murderous Jihadists from hell.

 

     Millions of questions they can ask everyday that insult the intelligence of the American public, but Americans are not mentally retarded to even pay attention to those craps.

 

     For example, were the people in the government remised in their responsibility to prevent the occurrence of 911 attacks? Yes, no doubt about it. To what extent this neglect or incompetence if you may, was, maybe to the highest degree of culpability. But it does not mean that because of their incompetence, they did it and that Osama bin Laden and his minions did not do it, as 911 myth theorists would like stupid Americans to believe their irresponsible juvenile conjuring.

 

     Similar truckload of questions were asked by government spoilers about the United States Armed Forces’ incompetence and the stupidity of our national security service for their failure to prevent the Japanese sneak attacks in Pearl Harbor.  But the American public will never be as stupid to admit the spoilers’ radical propaganda campaign against the government that in a conspiracy with the enemy similar to 911, it was the United States’ High Military Command that attacked Pearl Harbor, and not the Imperial Armed Forces of Japan. That similar to 911, what we saw in television footages of the Pearl Harbor attacks was just CAMERA TRICKS! This incredible innuendo insults the collective intelligence of the American people … it has a foul smell of treason that is so rotten leaving no doubt at all that it came from the rancid bowels of the earth.

 

     If Oswald did not kill Pres. Kennedy, who did? It does not mean that if Oswald didn’t do it, former Pres. Lyndon Johnson did it.  It does not mean that because the Warren Commission pointed to Oswald as the only lone assassin who carried out Pres. Kennedy’s murder, the Warren Commission had in fact ordered the bestial killing of Pres. Kennedy.  It does not mean that because Sen. Bobby Kennedy was New York’s most prominent radical activist, he was shot dead in the skull by the government, not shot by an enraged Sirhan Sirhan whose dream was to be “famous” in a very distorted way.

 

     The legends of Pearl Harbor and the murders of the Kennedys live forever, especially when the myth is kept alive in the name of anti-government activism. Like 911, millions of questions are asked everyday out of endless arrays of theories – mysterious and macabre alike. The more ghastly the assumptions are – that is the more delusional they are that fits in Stephen Kings’s mystery thrillers – the higher the command of media attention is.  But it’s all about the beating of a dead horse where the limelight falls as the curtains raise on the national stage of make-belief. If you are a Victorian Litterateur during my earlier halcyon days, you will immediately know that what we are dealing with is the present time’s Literature exemplar!

 

 

Comment by Steve A Truther
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Whoa!! Bakadude ... get a grip!  I didn't read your whole rant but I got the drift!  I suggest you watch "12 angry Men" with Henry Fonda again.  You are re-enacting Lee J. Cobb's part at the end of the movie.  He knew everything too .. right up to the end! 

Comment by Freed Radical
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Please ignore the Republican BakaTroll. Nice work, Mr. Hodges! I would add to your list the fact that the crime of the century was somehow magically "solved" in less than 36 hours, with the names and photos of the perps featured on the evening news long before any evidence had been examined. And that story hasn't changed in NINE YEARS!!!

  ERIC NEW

Comment by Anonymous
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 Truther, you entertain me with your latest comment as follows: “Whoa!! Bakadude ... get a grip!  I didn't read your whole rant but I got the drift!  I suggest you watch "12 angry Men" with Henry Fonda again.  You are re-enacting Lee J. Cobb's part at the end of the movie.  He knew everything too .. right up to the end!” 

 

     You shocked me and at the same time you amused me to the hilt to know that you didn’t even understand the movie you are talking about.  Your disconnect from reality is so doltish I’m afraid it is incorrigible.

    What shocked me as almost unbelievable is this coincidence, believe it or not: I wrote a review of this 1957 movie in 1962 as a young student of Journalism on the subject of Literary Criticism. The plot of the story was the Jurors’ deliberation whether or not to find the boy defendant guilty of murder. In comparing this drama film directed by Sidney Lumet to the story of 911 directed by you, the defendant boy was the government whom all the imagining Jurors except Juror 8 [Henry Fonda] believed was guilty. The most radical guilty Juror of them all was Lee J. Cobb [Juror 3, guilty, guilty!].

 

      So from me, know this Truther: Since in 911 you and your kind are all imagining that the government was guilty, your role was that of Lee. J. Cobb, Juror 3. Don’t be convoluted and mess it up. My role -- if you want to know the sine qua non of the story -- was that of Henry Fonda, Juror 8 who maintained that the boy in the film [the government in your 911 story] was innocent.

 

       In the movie, the pivotal witness that turned the verdict into NOT GUILTY was a woman who cannot see unless she wears her eyeglasses. She testified she saw the murder took place. In the night of the murder, she was not wearing her eyeglasses.

 

       You and your kind cannot see unless you wear your eyeglasses. The day 911 terrorists struck, you were not wearing your eyeglasses. You did not see the terrorist-manned airlines rammed the Twin Towers structures and leveled them to the ground. Without your spectacles you couldn’t see an elephant in front of you. What you saw was a flying government striking the buildings! Your excuse and the excuse propounded by your kind claim that if indeed there were airplanes that struck the buildings, it was just a CAMERA TRICK!!! That’s why I insist that normal Americans neither buy this crap nor entertain this nonsense.

 

       In this important debate, please don’t present anything unless you understand what it is.  You get your grip of reality. And you better listen to the ring of knowledge [not “rant” as you messed and fouled it up] I wrote and I assure you that once you are reasonably informed, you will be fine.

 

 

Comment by Steve A Truther
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Bakadude, you as well, entertained and shocked me with your response to my comments about the movie “12 Angry Men”.  Entertained me because I can tell you are a fan of the movie and have many more facts about it than I do.  Your descriptions of the scenes and characters are very impressive!  I, just like you, enjoyed the film immensely.  There is a message so strong and so powerful in it for all Americans!  I really do think we agree on something here!  “12 Angry Men” is a great film!  But I really don’t think I failed to understand the movie.  But yes, I do see your point how pivotal Henry Fonda’s role is.  It makes all the difference in the world!

Using Henry Fonda’s character to represent our point-of-views about the events of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, let’s proceed.  You think Henry Fonda’s character represents the governments official story about 9/11.  I don’t agree.  I see Henry Fonda representing my point-of-view.  I cannot convict Osama and gang if there is any reasonable doubt in my mind about his guilt!  I understand and will allow you that Osama and gang probably are involved somehow, at some level.  But I want all the criminals convicted.  The problem is we haven’t gotten all of the evidence and don’t really know what happened on that awful day!

In the movie when deliberations began, 11 of the 12 jurors voted to convict!  Osama is guilty .. hang him!  Only Henry Fonda voted not guilty .. and boy did that piss off the other jurors.  “Oh man, there’s always one in every crowd!” the others moaned.  Henry Fonda said “Gentlemen, I don’t know if Osama is guilty of not but I think we should spend some time discussing this … for crying out loud we’re talking about a man’s life here … at least we can talk about it!”  One juror yells, “damn bleeding heart liberals … Ok but let’s just get on with it.  I got tickets to the ballgame tonight!”  Another juror snidely tells Henry and the others, “What’s with this guy?  You all were in the courtroom.  You heard the same evidence I did!  Osama’s guilty as sin .. you know it … it’s open and shut case!.  But let’s do what Henry wants else we’ll never get outta here!”

I’m ending this here Bakadude, but I could go on and on … every scene … every idea in this movie represents 911 truth’s point-of-view.  If you really believe your side is the Henry Fonda character then it’s sad to say you are greatly deluded!  You are Lee J. Cobb at the end of the movie .. lost, alone, bewildered, crying that his son never loved him!  Open you eyes and see what’s been happening in this country in the last 9 years.  The public is waking up .. but not fast enough!

Bakadude, I challenge you to be part of the solution .. and not continue to be part of the problem!

Comment by TL Winslow
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We all know that Islam did 9/11, but we also know that the U.S. govt.'s quick move to jump-up the dimensions of its Big Brother police state were a little too quick and a lot too much.  Keep up with the 911 Truther issue pro and con with the Historyscoper at 

http://historyscopers911trutherblog.blogspot.com/
Comment by Anonymous
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      Truther, how can I be Lee J. Cobb the No. 3 Juror who argued that the government is guilty of the 911 carnage, when my stand was that the government you are trying to convict is innocent?  Inversely, how can you be Henry Fonda who supported his own idea that the government you want to convict is innocent, when you are Lee J. Cobb telling everyone that the government is guilty?  You got it terribly mixed up.  That’s why don’t pretend to know when in fact you don’t.  You are not even in the business of literary criticism – short stories and novels – and film review like I am, so how would I expect you to be not so convoluted in your understanding of the “12 Angry Men” movie you thought you have the capacity to understand when you didn’t have any sign of that capability?  You are a total stranger here, Truther … don't intrude, it is not your comfort zone. The earlier you get out of here, the better for your rapidly deteriorating appreciation of reality.

 

 

 

Comment by Steve A Truther
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Bakadude .. I could care less what you think!  Keep posting crap and I'll keep responding to it!

Comment by Steve A Truther
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Bakadude .. I could care less what you think!  Keep posting crap and I'll keep responding to it!

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