Dave Rubin of The Rubin Report talks to Mike Rowe (star of "Dirty Jobs" and "Somebody's Gotta Do It,") about risk assessment and the effects of the lockdowns. Mike discusses our safety obsessed culture and the unintended consequences and dangers of putting safety first above all other things. Mike thinks a better idea would be to put safety third. Mike gives examples of how extreme safety increases reckless behavior and decreases personal responsibility whether it's seat belts, well designed intersections, or helmet laws for motorcycles. Mike thinks a better idea to help public health and safety is to put more attention to risk management strategies while getting back to living our normal lives. Mike also compares the reaction to the quarantine to the Kübler-Ross 5 stages of grief.