Dave, Dave, Dave. It is as simple as freedom good, government bad, bad, bad, bad, bad! This is America.  And in America if you don't like your neighbors you are free to burn them out of their home. But you don't go snitching to the government. TFPIC

 When the worst citizens cover their activities as "religion" they attract the busybodies of government, jeopardizing freedom for all of us.  True christians will be quiet, cooperative, and non confrontational. 

The police were asked to investigate a former gang-banger with a Jim Jones complex who refused legitimate access to city representatives.  A few months ago a similar call was made by a social worker in a situation that resulted in the burning deaths of two children. Exactly how were the police supposed to respond? "Papers, please"?

See my comment at.

Government good. Government friend. Government not bad! Government make sure everyone happy.

Jesus gave His 2nd of Two Commandments "Love thy neighbor as thy self".  

Apostle Paul said "Be all things to all people." Also "Without Love...  just a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol. 2 Corin 13

Where is the fruit?  Is there an environment where the Holy Spirit is welcome and moving?

You never block your neighbors driveway. How about having 2 small groups rather than 1 huge one. If ever there was a time to be a relief to people and an example of Christ's Love instead of what the world does - is now.  

 Sounds like the good pastor wants to ram his personal brand of christian beliefs down his neighbors throats and does not care if they want a part in his style of operating or not. And when they get the law involved he screams they attacking me for being a christian.

Nice apologetic and soft soaping of a overreaching government that does not respect an individuals private property.  If there are noise violations, blocking the street, ect. than issue citations, that's appropriate.  I would even go so far as to say that visible negative conditions of the property can be cited, but the limitations of government authority have been exceeded and there is an abuse of authority due to whiny and apparently influential neighbors.  There's nothing more disgusting than government that favors affluent citizenry at the expense of the common folks.  The attempts at character assassination are a pathetic and irrelevant aspect of this apologetic.  What does this guys checkered past have to do with residential code violations?  And since when are civil offenses punishable by imprisonment.  In the end sum, government and society in many areas of America amount to satanic hell holes.  'Forbid a common, dirty, born-again, evangelical from tarnishing our pristine island in hell.'  Hope you enjoy it.

There are NO two sides of this story -- this is only a ONE-SIDED hell of a story ... Pastor Michael Salman VIOLATED Arizona law with a stupid excuse that he is only practicing his religious belief and freedom of religion guaranteed by the Constitution. Religious abusers like this are dangerous and should spend their days in jail forever for the protection of the general public -- not just 60 days. They can pray or practice their religion in solitary confinement. Anti-State psychopaths supporting this arrested disciple of Satan are as contemptible as this religious felon is.

 Joseph Vanderville, I've seen homeless people shouting at pigeons who make more sense than you. Are you auditioning to be an MSNBC host, or do you just enjoy being an irrational moron?

I am allergic to dirt, that is why I hate dirt. My day is ruined.

I like to monitor this discussion, but Kermit Frogtastic --- you ruined my day. You are a wicked croaking dirty-mouthed frog that leaped out of the muddy pond and from out of nowhere disrupted this debate.

Everybody including myself reads the position taken by Joseph Vanderville … that this Pastor Michael Salman violated a Phoenix, Arizona law, that’s why we understand why he was arrested and sentenced to serve 60 days in jail. You should have focused on this issue and not stepped out of the line squeaking your dirty mouth out and ruin everybody’s day.

Read your own comment … no sense came out from your mouth except spewing insults on JV’s person. JV is not the issue on this debate, idiot. What kind of a rabid dog are you that strayed into this page? You will bite others too and spread your mental rabies. You should be isolated and quarantined.

Morons can’t see normally because they have no mind’s eye like you. You cannot see what is published and debated here, much more understand what the people are discussing about. If you can only be even just an intellectual shadow of JV, you could have made my day instead of ruining it. Besides, your Mom would have been so happy for giving you birth instead of feeling so ashamed she had ever conceived you. Now looking back, to abort you could have crossed her mind.

And I wouldn’t blame her.

Ufactdirt, thanks for your support to make some "loonies" see the light of day. Bless the members of the group you are in, who are working hard in the side, and for the interest, of the public, to the frustrations of those in the dark side who found a home in this website.

I have to side with JV and Ufactdirt on this one. Poor little Ufactdirt. In an effort to recognize and remind himself how much he is allergic to and hates himself, he included "dirt" in his FP handle. Poor little guy!
 

To PureTrust, according to Kim Dryer you are actually Donna Hancock writing under the name PureTrust. Must Kim Dryer have to be right for calling you a WHORE , a maker of "false religion and social divide"? See Kim Dryer’s comment (#045713) entered on: 2012-07-10 19:13:43. (#010621)

You just showed it to me that you are, when you posted your comment against my person [see your comment entered on: 2012-07-14 12:40:31] and like a flirt showing her vicious whoredom, creates a false impression, and social divide in the name of God!

Dave Hodges, you are talking about "Salman’s right to engage in religious worship in a quiet, well-to-do neighborhood ...". No, no, noooooo.... let’s face it! As JV has pointed out in his comment below, you should be talking about the Pastor's VIOLATION of law in the practice of his religious worship in Phoenix, Arizona that gave law enforcement officers no alternative but to arrest him, and the Judge to sentence him to serve 60 days in jail and to pay a fine of $12k required by law.

Don't be so stupid to talk about "freedom to practice" his religious worship. Pastor Salman’s religious worship has never been challenged. That is NOT the reason why the police nabbed him, put his hands behind his back and handcuffed him, and neither was that the reason why the Judge kicked his ass to prison ... moron! Convicted for violating Arizona law applicable to churches, you must have to admit that on record, Pastor Michael Salman is a religious felon.

Nincompoops have no idea why this religious felon was jailed … no, not at all. They are in Cloud 9 talking NONSENSE!

Look here donkeys, anyone who breaks the law applicable to churches goes to jail, period! Any pastor crying to high heavens after violating the law won’t work. God won’t help pastors, let alone encourage them, to break the law under His name … are you kidding me????

I like your comment, George.  You speak the truth about this writer who writes nonsense from "Cloud 9".  Ufactdirt, George and the rest of the Avengers for public good, bring it on!!!

I'll be sure to consider your post if I ever need instruction on how to be a knee-jerk, religion-despising sinner. Criminey, if ignorance is bliss, you must be one happy liberal.

The problem with libertarians and constitutionalists regarding this issue is, that they don't consider the root problem. They look at the law and the laws. And they respond based on the law and the laws, but they don't answer, correctly, where law enforcement and Government officials are wrong!

The place that law enforcement and Government officials are wrong is NOT in their handling of the law or the laws. The place where they are dead wrong is that they broke their Oaths of Office to uphold the Constitution.

How are Government officials and law enforcement wrong with regard to the Constitution? They are totally wrong by allowing laws like those used against Salman to gain such strength. They are wrong in the way they allow laws to circumvent the foundational law - the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Possibly the prosecuting and conviction of Salman is totally correct withing the confines and structure of the law used against him. But the lawmakers and law enforcement people should be convicted - as a minimum - of the same things that Salman was, for letting laws be placed into such strength that they could circumvent the Constitution that holds those minor laws in place.

It's called "lack of good faith" and "trust breaking" when Government officials and law enforcement set up laws and enforce them so that the existence of Constitutional test cases like these come into being in the first place.