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Comment by quasi-political
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This comment is a brief analysis of the Penn & Teller show for those who don’t want to waste 30 minutes of their time.

 

The show basically attempts to convince the audience that there is no difference between organic food and nonorganic food. There are only two alleged “experts” which the show derives its supposed “facts” from.

Let’s talk about the first source, the Hudson Institute (I hope you find this as funny as I did). The Hudson Institute is funded by Monsanto, ConAgra Foods, DuPont, Exxon Mobil, General Electric, Fannie Mae, National Agricultural Chemical Association, McDonald’s, and many of the other usual suspects. As cliché as it may sound, this is another case of the fox guarding the hen house.   Ronald Bailey from Reason Magazine is the second source for the “facts” presented in this show. His credentials? A B.A. in philosophy and economics.  No scientific background whatsoever. In the scientific community his testimony holds about as much water as yours or mine does.   No need to go on at this point but I’d like to offer some useful information on the topic of organic food.  Below are some links to actual experts that don’t work for Monsanto or other companies who don’t care if you or your family members die because of their products.   The first link is to a lecture from the author of Seeds of Deception, Jeffrey Smith. The things you will learn from him are scientific facts and will most likely scare you far away from GMO foods.   Click here to watch the lecture.   The other thing I want to link in is a film called The World According to Monsanto. It is an expose documentary on Monsanto, genetically modified foods, and many other destructive products Monsanto is responsible for.   Click here to watch The World According to Monsanto. FYI- for some reason the video was loaded titled Controlling Our Food. Just so you don’t think you are watching the wrong movie.   After you watch those, for a laugh, watch the Penn & Teller show about organic food. It will be more than clear to you that the show is full of pure lies and propaganda. Don’t be fooled by those who have not done their research. And don’t be fooled by the very GMO companies who are involved and stand to profit at your cost, or possibly your death.

Comment by quasi-political
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Reposted comment, don’t know what happened to the first one but it can hardly be read, hopefully this one doesn’t do the same thing.

 

 

This comment is a brief analysis of the Penn & Teller show for those who don’t want to waste 30 minutes of their time.

 

The show basically attempts to convince the audience that there is no difference between organic food and nonorganic food. There are only two alleged “experts” which the show derives its supposed “facts” from.

Let’s talk about the first source, the Hudson Institute (I hope you find this as funny as I did). The Hudson Institute is funded by Monsanto, ConAgra Foods, DuPont, Exxon Mobil, General Electric, Fannie Mae, National Agricultural Chemical Association, McDonald’s, and many of the other usual suspects. As cliché as it may sound, this is another case of the fox guarding the hen house.   Ronald Bailey from Reason Magazine is the second source for the “facts” presented in this show. His credentials? A B.A. in philosophy and economics.  No scientific background whatsoever. In the scientific community his testimony holds about as much water as yours or mine does.   No need to go on at this point but I’d like to offer some useful information on the topic of organic food.  Below are some links to actual experts that don’t work for Monsanto or other companies who don’t care if you or your family members die because of their products.   The first link is to a lecture from the author of Seeds of Deception, Jeffrey Smith. The things you will learn from him are scientific facts and will most likely scare you far away from GMO foods.   Click here to watch the lecture.   The other thing I want to link in is a film called The World According to Monsanto. It is an expose documentary on Monsanto, genetically modified foods, and many other destructive products Monsanto is responsible for.   Click here to watch The World According to Monsanto. FYI- for some reason the video was loaded titled Controlling Our Food. Just so you don’t think you are watching the wrong movie.   After you watch those, for a laugh, watch the Penn & Teller show about organic food. It will be more than clear to you that the show is full of pure lies and propaganda. Don’t be fooled by those who have not done their research. And don’t be fooled by the very GMO companies who are involved and stand to profit at your cost, or possibly your death.

Comment by Alfredo LP
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I applaud you for questioning what you see on TV. We tend to believe what we want to believe even if the person giving us the evidence we want is untrustworthy.

I would have like to hear from what expert evidence you have that the Hudson Institute and Ronald Bailey were lying. Ad-hominem attacks are not arguments, but logical fallacies.

Citing Jeffrey Smith's book against GMO foods is not a good example, especially after complaining that Ronald Bailey doesn't have a science degree. Jeffrey Smith's biography doesn't mention that he has a science degree either.

Let's debate ideas and not people.


Comment by Walter Jeffries
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I love other reports by Penn & Teller but this one lacks credibility. Sadly they used the Hudson Institute (see ) for their source of information. The Hudson Institute is backed by Monstersanto, er, I mean Monsanto, perhaps one of the most evil corporations in the world. Other backers of the Hudson Institute, in character, include Cargill, ConAgra Foods, Exxon Mobil, McDonald's, National Agricultural Chemical Association. Friends like that seriously reduce Penn & Teller's credibility.


Comment by Alfredo LP
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I agree that Alex Avery of the Hudson Institute holds views that are aligned to those of his sponsors, but the real issue is if his statements in the show were correct or not regardless of his sponsors.

I like the skepticism shown by the viewers, even skepticism about the conclusions reached by P&T because that's ultimately what the show is about. Don't believe everything we see or hear at face value.

P&T were exaggerating some of claims against organic food. They are not evil, they are probably a waste of money. Otherwise, all those findings about people who eat vegetables are healthier and living longer with less cancer rates would be false, because those studies were conducted in people who ate non-organic vegetables.
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