Earnest, I fully understand your meaning,and am thankful.
May I state,when we are pushed against a wall and placed in a position of self defence, without any choice but to resort to violence,then the obvious will happen. It's them or us !
We who cherish freedom,are not willing to die for it, instead we must live for it ! A passive action has never accomplished anything other tham submission to the agressor, this has been proven throughout history.
I more than anyone prefer peaceful solutions to all conflicts,and getting along with our fellow man is paramount to a civilized society if it is to prosper.
The greatest problem is petty dictator want to be's care little about their fellow man, and seek unlimited power and riches instead no matter the cost or life and liberty.
I feel strongly justified in my views, and if others felt the same 15 years ago as I did,(through research) there would not be the problem we are faced with now.
All we get from Congress and the president,are delayed promises of future corrections to problems. These tactics are the rule to give them time to be as strong as possible and devide the loyalties of the people for conquest.
We as a nation have let those in power stay there too long and are now suffering the results. We have become a nation of law abiders , for the sake of law, like trained seals ,we do as we are told without thinking, WHY ?
Illegal laws and those who create them and enforce them are choking this nation to death ,slowly but surely we are loosing it as a free country. I do not want to go through what Hitler, Stalin, and Mao, did to their population under their steel boots.
YES peace is a great desire of all people, however governments who opress freedom,are the root of all evil, who are the only ones who declare war on another. People do not !
This is why they must be defeated when the treason is obvious, for the longer we wait, the stronger they get, Proven time and time again.
We have no votes, they are rigged and have been for a long time. The courts are against us, the Supreme Court is against us, Law enforcement is against us, Highest ranking military leaders are against us, What choice have we left ?
The spirit of 76 gave us this nation, will the spirit of 2008 take it away ?

I just watched the first half of the movie Gandi again a couple of days ago and his argument that he was prepared to die for freedom, but not willing to kill struck me as interesting (keeping in mind that it was a Hollywood version of his views).

Many don't know that his own writings declared that he thought that the confiscation of firearms by the British Government was part of what allowed the decent into the barbarism that the Indian people experienced.

Ghandi: "Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."

But passive resistance was a powerful weapon (Andrew Meyer "Taser Guy" comes to mind). Ghandi's argument went along the line of, 'if we allow violence to be our weapon then if it ever did stop, what kind of people would be taking over the positions of power'? This is a very important thing to consider. The argument that the documentation (Internet) of brutality and the often violent results from all involved is enough to change the hearts of the oppressors is true.

When violent revolution is called for it can not be from a central command. In the end the solution always is worse than the original problem. A successful revolution (violent or otherwise) has always come from individuals making up their own minds how best to use their talents and skills. If you show up on your own in the village square ready to do battle and you are the only one there, then maybe the time is wrong. If you act too early then you can't count on the support of others and you might not be doing the good that you had hoped.

I am of the opinion and have conducted myself in such a way to demonstrate how being creative in your expression is far more effective than violence against persons or property. Ridicule is a very powerful weapon and tyrants can be expected to act predictably (with force and deception). A very low self-esteem is any authoritarian's weakness.

I have my lines in the sand. I can not imagine my taking every action possible to prevent "the King" from taking my children. So I do my best to prepare for that eventuality by planning to make sure I am not put in the situation where a government agent shows up at my door in a starched uniform with a shiny badge and a clipboard with a deeply embossed parchment stating that my sons must now serve 'The King' (oh, and there is always a 'gun' available to the agent in one form or another). I suspect that the return of 'The Draft' has been delayed for just this reason. Taking people's children by force to go die for a tyrant is the fastest way I know to cause the most 'dissent'.

So I am working very hard to prevent this.

Peace.

Way to go Ernest, I liked the breast thing.,
As for the comment about going to jail for what you believe, this is a defeatist attitude ! Never think in this manner, think I refuse to bow to this and I refuse to go to jail !
You may not be aware, but Clinton Exec.order was to gass all prisoners when martial law IS declared., Not IF !
I believe this Sheriff has learned a valuable lesson, if he reviews his oath of office, and adheres to it, we may have a hero in the making.
He is the ONLY authority in his county and can arrest even government agents for entering his county without prior permission.

This runs hand in glove with the Arizona's Governor as she plans to be one of the first states to enact a North American Union Real ID in January of 2008. I fully expect the liberal Janet to implement the same program here in the near future. i believe that this is evidence that the "powers" are testing the degree to which they can violate our constitutional rights before American citizens begin to push back. For me, I plan to refuse and go to jail if necessary to avoid compliance to this fascist practice. Implanted hips are a com'in and it will not be an option. What are you going to do? Superb reporting, Ernie.

It remains to be seen whether or not this so-called private entity was officially authorized by the state or federal government to carry out these actions but Sheriff Hartman, as the highest elected law enforcement officer in the county, could have acted on behalf of his county's citizenry by forbidding these roadblocks until he had investigated their authority to do so thoroughly.

Instead, he jumped at the bait of the allusion to grants in the offing and betrayed his office and the trust of those who elected him.

The above posters are correct, we can expect more of this. They are taking DNA samples from newborns in hospitals and any others who go to a hospital for treatment. There is much more to this DNA database that they are building but that is for another time.

Suffice to say, it is to our detriment. Will Americans ever reach the point where they say "enough is enough?" I suspect that the time for that is past - we just haven't had it announced on CNN so nobody will believe how truly enslaved we already are.

So what's the fuss? We've already given up all our rights re the totally repressive DUI laws. The cops have the power to do whatever they want to anybody they want anytime. Search and seizure, racial profiling, sexual abuse, whatever they want, the cops have a free hand as long as they spew the magic letters "DUI." This was nothing compared to that. The cows left the barn eons ago, and everybody cheered. Freedom died with thunderous applause. So take it and like it. More of this will come.

Remember..The police will do anything they are told to do.....Right or Wrong,and their oath means nothing to them.
If "Bush" wanted to mow down Americans,the police would be high on the list of choices for the job.