Today, Arizona Governor Janet Napolitano signed into law legislation that would prohibit the state from complying with the Real ID Act of 2005, a federal mandate imposing a national ID card on all Americans through their state drivers’ licenses. The measure passed both the Arizona House and Arizona Senate with overwhelming support: 51 to 1 and 21 to 7 respectively.

“Governor Napolitano has joined a nationwide movement against Real ID,” said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU Technology and Liberty Program. “Arizona has become the 10th state to pass legislation prohibiting compliance. The governor’s actions today sends a strong and clear message that the people of Arizona will not stand for the Department of Homeland Security trampling on their right to privacy. The state government will not abide an unfunded mandate.”

The Real ID Act of 2005 mandates that all states have compliant identification cards consistent with federal regulations, and requires that all Americans’ private information be held in a single database that is accessible to federal and state officials – the cost and security of which is unknown. The states’ response to the passage of Real ID has been steady. In 2007, 17 states passed either resolutions or statutes against the program, including 7 that opted out of it altogether. This year Idaho, Alaska and Arizona all opted of Real ID by statue, and similar legislation is still pending in several states.

“Governor Napolitano deserves praise for standing up the federal government,” added Dan Pochoda, legal director of the ACLU of Arizona. “Real ID is a real nightmare. The people of Arizona will not just lie down and play dead while this administration continues to dictate unfunded and unconstitutional mandates to the states.”
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Puke!!!! Janet Napolitano made a deal with the devil (Chertof) to make AZ the first state to implement Real ID. Without going through the legislature. And contrary to what she said she pledged state money.

"I met, you know, with the "troops", if you will..." and so on, and so on, and so on...

I've heard that there is starting to be services that are taking this on.

No dice.

Kent

To add to this serious crime; this call to commit murder; the last sentence of Mr. Reagan's session was, " Now we know where the Ron Paul supporters went".

Call Radio America @ 703-302-1000 or the FCC @ 1-888-callfcc to voice your opinions.

I'll do my activism on an empty stomach with a two-day fast prior, and I'll be wearing Depends!

It won't be the first time the government did something that just made my sphincter clench.....

If RP ideals win, and the above does NOT happen, then you can be sure that, even though Ron Paul himself might have been sincere, that the whole system among the people has gone so far into corruption, that all freedom and liberty as once known in the early days of America, will be lost.

REPLY: I have tried my best to in the limited time that I have on the internet.

(2) Mr. Renzulli continues to rely on a federal judge's opinion, itself not "peer-reviewed," as though it were holy writ on matters of science.

REPLY: Which is based on the facts of the case surrounding the issue itself. If the gentleman would read the judge's decision he would see all of the facts he Judge sorted out pertaining to the deception of the ID movement and the lies of its proponents (like Michael Behe).

(Mr. Renzulli adverts to the missed possibility of an appeal. Note that an appellate review of a district court decision usually does not examine the accuracy of the evidentiary facts, but only reviews whether the law was properly applied. As a rule, an appellate court does not review the merits of scientific questions.)

REPLY: Based on the legal and scientific facts surrounding the issue.

(3) Mr. Renzulli wrote: "As far as his support of allowing strengths and weaknesses, schools are institutions of learning, not those for presenting alternate views."

Reply: This statement seems as dogmatic as any "religious" school has ever been, with the added punch that he is talking about government funded schools paid by coerced taxes and which minors are required to attend (unless they pay extra for non-government schools). Government-coerced learning ... not open to alternative views ... these ideas don't sound very libertarian to me. (I've been a classical liberal since 1972.)

MIKE REPLY: Consider it "dogmatic" as much as you want. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Furthermore, you also go to show how government schools are being used for social engineering and indoctrination like they always have been since created.

(4) Mr. Renzulli states in the second to last paragraph that he recognizes "reality as it is," but also cites Dr. Stenger who (he says) has "handily" pointed out how science shows that "any phenomenon does not exist."

Reply: Huh? If Dr. Stenger is right – any phenomenon does not exist – then to what "reality as it is" does Mr. Renzulli refer? The two ideas are contradictory. Mr. Renzulli advances them both.

REPLY: I forgot to include PARANORMAL phenomenon such as psychics. Otherwise, Dr. Stenger's book is a sound treatsie on rebutting claims of God's existence and the science of un-intelligent design.

The founder of Objectivism, Ayn Rand, wrote: "Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." This naked contradiction indicates something in Mr. Renzulli's position has definitely gone awry.

MIKE REPLY: Ms. Rand also stated in a Ford Hall Forum speech:

"[Immanuel] Kant did not seek to subordinate science to religion: he merely sought to establish their epistemological equality. Wishing to save religion (particularly religious morality) from the onslaughts of science, he gave his followers the intellectual ammunition that enabled them to claim that the discoveries of science were no better, no more certain, no more valid than their mystic revelations. That is all he had to do. That is all the 'creationists' demand: just equality. The equality of science and religion -- i.e., the equality of reason and faith."

(5) Mr. Renzulli accuses me of being "mired in empiricism."

Reply: According to the Merriam Webster online dictionary, the definition of "empiricism" that applies here is: "the practice of relying on observation and experiment especially in the natural sciences."

MIKE REPLY: Dictionary.com also advises that empiricism is: "undue reliance upon experience, as in medicine (aka quackery)."

Of all the ad hominem attacks Mr. Renzulli could have leveled at me, calling me "mired" in the "practice of relying on observation and experiment in the natural sciences" is about the nicest insult I've ever received.

MIKE REPLY: Actually no, it was a nice way of saying you are delving into quackery.

Leaving the last word to Mr. Renzulli, let me conclude: I don't care if Mr. Renzulli remains an atheist whose mind cannot be changed.

Its not that my mind cannot be changed, like I said in my previous response, I have read extensively on this issue and (as the quote from Ayn Rand indicates above) ID isn't just an attack on science it is also grounded in a Kantian defense of faith over reason.

I do care that absolute global generalizations and ad hominem attacks, acid-laced but lacking either supporting facts or coherent logic, are published by the Freedoms Phoenix as though they carry intellectual weight.

Ad hominem attacks? I am not the one arguing for proposing or supporting spoon feeding kids pseudo scientific theories based on non-factual claims.

I know b*llsh*t when I see it and am outspoken when I work to stop it.

I also oppose the misrepresentation of Intelligent Design as occurred in Mr. Renzulli's post. You don't have to like ID, but please don't just hurl insults and lie about it.

I haven't misrepresented anything related to ID and I would also note that you have not shown anything to prove me wrong just like ID scientists will not submit their findings to journals like Science or Nature.

I know the story is sensational but it's putting holes in our credibility with stuff like this turning up.

So, stop telling people about Larry, and start telling them about Obama's globalist ideology, his CFR connections, his collusion with the Clintons at Bilderberg, his plan to let the UN disarm and tax Americans to fund globalist policy, his plan to nuke Iran, etc....

The R3VOLution's strength was from its spontaneously chaotic uncontrolled action from individuals conceiving of some action and then carrying it out with or without others assistance. Nothing can stop that. In fact, it makes it more fun if someone tries.

No one controls the R3VOLution except you. You either continue to participate in those things you think will promote your liberty or you don't. You now know you can. You know how. You know you are not alone. You know the bad guys are not going to just allow you to express yourself. You know how much fun it is when you do something and the authoritays object. You know how much punch you can get for little cost while making the bad guys spend capital.

Now the question is are you willing to keep it up? Since Ron Paul's campaign is over, I think I will go out and hang a Ron Paul sign. Not to support Ron Paul's campaign. But to let the bad guys know it ain't over until everyone agrees it is over. And I am not finished.

Claire Wolfe wisely wrote a great collection of books centered around the theme that it is too late to change things, but too early to shoot the bastards. The R3VOLution is what you do while you wait for the revolution. To let the bad guys know you know. To let others know they are not alone in their doubts. To overtly provide examples of what to do for the imitators. To inspire. To continually ask the question, 'is it time yet?'

So please support Dr. Paul in his new endeavors if you wish. Or sit back and lurk. Or as I hope, continue to do your own R3VOLution. In the end it was always about you: your life, your liberty and your property. You choose. Welcome to the party.

Bottom line: The R3VOLUTION has been roiling under the surface for a long time now - it has only recently overcome it's fear of the 'powers that be' and picked up it's banner and shown it's face in public.

Don't stop now.

Join us at San Tan Flat in Queen Creek June 18th and see for yourself that "The R3VOLUTION isn't all just about Ron Paul anymore!"

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/7/calendar/8107122/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPvCkwN3JSg

It is not the Republican Party. It is not the Democrat Party. It is the Washington Party. And the party's on you.

This means that for the rich it will simply be life as usual for as long as the oil is available. For the poor it will be a matter of extreme hardship and a definite life-changing experience learning how to live without gasoline and oil, and the resources that go along with it.

I see a definite two-tier class structure coming about.

There is still enough reserves in Alaska, the 48, and off-shore, to last many generations. Fear.is binding us to ignore Reality and endure a self-imposed lack.

Good stewardship would encourage creative progression into other energy sources, easily within the space-time allowance of nature. We need to wise-up to the fearful ignorant control-freaks.

a follower of The Lion of Judah

He has seen what the Cons have been doing to his Delegates at the state conventions so he sees that he will NOT be able to pull an Abe Lincoln.

Starting this Campaign for Liberty is great because it will help to get Paul-like politicians elected. It is NOT necessarily just Republicans that this new group will raise funds for.

I will raise funds for any Liberty minded person running for office if they are in line with Dr. Paul's beliefs and his supporter's beliefs.

This is even better than the Presidency since now we will have people in the Senate and House that will vote with Dr. Paul. At least he will have people that he can work with and as a group they can get the other Representatives to vote more Constitutionally.

ONLY A Doctor WILL HEAL Our Country,
Freedom4America

PS: We are keeping our signs up because even if Dr. Paul is NOT running any more our signs are still correct because they say "Ron Paul, Hope for America, Be a part of it".

Forming this new group is still Hope for America and probably even more than just the Presidency.