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06-10-2008
2008-06-10 22:46
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Ernie, I love ya! I think Ron Paul HEARD you the other night and low and behold......we are going to Minneapolis to the campus of the University of Minnesota! Yes!
P.S. I wanna make signs! I volunteer to make some "special" ones! Sign me up.
06-10-2008
2008-06-10 19:25
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I believe the USA is on schedule to be at 1,200 nuclear warheads by 2012 per treaty. This represents over a 95% reduction in warheads. 1,200 is a reasonable number. I am far more worried by the propensity of Bush to propose using them (min-nukes aren't real nukes -- no, only 16 times more powerful than what was dropped on Hiroshima = mininuke). Coming to a Persian Empire near you. And I am curious what is being done with the tremendous amount of weapons grade plutonium and uranium cores from the decommissioned nukes. [Think Israel might mysteriously get their hands on the material again?]
06-10-2008
2008-06-10 19:11
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You have had two minimum wage increases in the past 11 months. Combined with falling value in the dollar and you have fewer customers, and employees pressuring you to pay them more because their gas and food costs are soaring. Might as well hire adults.
6-10-2008
2008-06-10 19:04
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Governor! What have you got against Karen?;-)
06-10-2008
2008-06-10 18:48
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Well, well, well!!! Seems the mainstream media is choosing to cover this! Just saw it on the main news page at Yahoo!
Interesting.
06-04-2008
2008-06-10 17:49
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FINAL RESPONSE
I leave it to the reader to note:
(1) Mr. Renzulli has failed to address most of my points on their merits.
(2) Mr. Renzulli continues to rely on a federal judge's opinion, itself not "peer-reviewed," as though it were holy writ on matters of science.
(Mr. Renzulli adverts to the missed possibility of an appeal. Note that an appellate review of a district court decision usually does not examine the accuracy of the evidentiary facts, but only reviews whether the law was properly applied. As a rule, an appellate court does not review the merits of scientific questions.)
(3) Mr. Renzulli wrote: "As far as his support of allowing strengths and weaknesses, schools are institutions of learning, not those for presenting alternate views."
Reply: This statement seems as dogmatic as any "religious" school has ever been, with the added punch that he is talking about government funded schools paid by coerced taxes and which minors are required to attend (unless they pay extra for non-government schools). Government-coerced learning ... not open to alternative views ... these ideas don't sound very libertarian to me. (I've been a classical liberal since 1972.)
(4) Mr. Renzulli states in the second to last paragraph that he recognizes "reality as it is," but also cites Dr. Stenger who (he says) has "handily" pointed out how science shows that "any phenomenon does not exist."
Reply: Huh? If Dr. Stenger is right – any phenomenon does not exist – then to what "reality as it is" does Mr. Renzulli refer? The two ideas are contradictory. Mr. Renzulli advances them both.
The founder of Objectivism, Ayn Rand, wrote: "Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong." This naked contradiction indicates something in Mr. Renzulli's position has definitely gone awry.
(5) Mr. Renzulli accuses me of being "mired in empiricism."
Reply: According to the Merriam Webster online dictionary, the definition of "empiricism" that applies here is: "the practice of relying on observation and experiment especially in the natural sciences."
Of all the ad hominem attacks Mr. Renzulli could have leveled at me, calling me "mired" in the "practice of relying on observation and experiment in the natural sciences" is about the nicest insult I've ever received.
Leaving the last word to Mr. Renzulli, let me conclude: I don't care if Mr. Renzulli remains an atheist whose mind cannot be changed.
I do care that absolute global generalizations and ad hominem attacks, acid-laced but lacking either supporting facts or coherent logic, are published by the Freedoms Phoenix as though they carry intellectual weight.
I also oppose the misrepresentation of Intelligent Design as occurred in Mr. Renzulli's post. You don't have to like ID, but please don't just hurl insults and lie about it.
I appreciate the dialogue. Polite discussion of different sides of important issues is one of the many things that makes America great. I wish everyone well.
June 10, 2008
2008-06-10 15:57
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"... to erase "free market" capitalism's defects...." What "free market capitalism"? The U.S.A. is a highly regulated market. There are so many taxes, subsidies, price supports, mandates, etc., that it's practically impossible to determine the true cost of anything. It's a wonder capitalism functions at all.
The primary cause of "business cycles" are central banks, like the Federal Reserve and its ability to create money by fiat. Bernanke admitted the FR caused the great depression. It also caused the current financial mess with easy 'money' via fractional reserve banking, and many lesser messes in between.
Try distinguishing between managed and free markets, mercantilists and business men, welfare and charity, etc., and you'll be less confused.
6-9-2008
2008-06-10 14:29
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Some one says (in comments) they are gung ho Obama. How McLame is worse than him, which may or not be true. We do know that B.O. is even more lib-left than H.C.
Problem is, B.O, H.C & J.Mc. are all CFR members. All 3 are socialist fascists. To socialists or fascists the state is greater than the individual, opposite what the US Founders had in mind.
Being a CFR shill means any of the 3 will continue the mess that started in at least 1913 that Bush & most other Presidents since then have kept feeding. None of the 3 CFR stooges will attempt to lead the USA back to the Constitution, our most critical need.
The only real conservative is Ron Paul. The only true Constitutionalist is Ron Paul. We ignore the platform of Ron Paul to our peril & ultimate demise. It is not so much Ron Paul-it is his message!! Ron is just the only one left with the message of return the US back to the Constitution, quit meddling in foreign affairs, shrink the gov. by getting rid of the none Constitutional 'burroacracy', return State's rights, print legal US money, get the privately owned 'Fed' out of the US along with the Gestapo IRS...
SamFox
6-9-2008
2008-06-10 14:26
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Some one says (in comments) they are gung ho Obama. How McLame is worse than him, which may or not be true. We do know that B.O. is even more lib-left than H.C.
Problem is, B.O, H.C & J.Mc. are all CFR members. All 3 are socialist fascists. To socialists or fascists the state is greater than the individual, opposite what the US Founders had in mind.
Being a CFR shill means any of the 3 will continue the mess that started in at least 1913 that Bush & most other Presidents since then have kept feeding. None of the 3 CFR stooges will attempt to lead the USA back to the Constitution, our most critical need.
The only real conservative is Ron Paul. The only true Constitutionalist is Ron Paul. We ignore the platform of Ron Paul to our peril & ultimate demise. It is not so much Ron Paul-it is his message!! Ron is just the only one left with the message of return the US back to the Constitution, quit meddling in foreign affairs, shrink the gov. by getting rid of the none Constitutional 'burroacracy', return State's rights, print legal US money, get the privately owned 'Fed' out of the US along with the Gestapo IRS...
SamFox
6-9-2008
2008-06-10 14:24
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Some one says (in comments) they are gung ho Obama. How McLame is worse than him, which may or not be true. We do know that B.O. is even more lib-left than H.C.
Problem is, B.O, H.C & J.Mc. are all CFR members. All 3 are socialist fascists. To socialists or fascists the state is greater than the individual, opposite what the US Founders had in mind.
Being a CFR shill means any of the 3 will continue the mess that started in at least 1913 that Bush & most other Presidents since then have kept feeding. None of the 3 CFR stooges will attempt to lead the USA back to the Constitution, our most critical need.
The only real conservative is Ron Paul. The only true Constitutionalist is Ron Paul. We ignore the platform of Ron Paul to our peril & ultimate demise. It is not so much Ron Paul-it is his message!! Ron is just the only one left with the message of return the US back to the Constitution, quit meddling in foreign affairs, shrink the gov. by getting rid of the none Constitutional 'burroacracy', return State's rights, print legal US money, get the privately owned 'Fed' out of the US along with the Gestapo IRS...
SamFox
6-9-2008
2008-06-10 14:21
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Some one says (in 'comments') they are gung ho Obama. How McLame is worse than him, which may or not be true. We do know that B.O. is even more lib-left than H.C.
Problem is, B.O, H.C & J.Mc. are all CFR members. All 3 are socialist fascists. To socialists or fascists the state is greater than the individual, opposite what the US Founders had in mind.
Being a CFR shill means any of the 3 will continue the mess that started in at least 1913 that Bush & most other Presidents since then have kept feeding. None of the 3 CFR stooges will attempt to lead the USA back to the Constitution, our most critical need.
The only real conservative is Ron Paul. The only true Constitutionalist is Ron Paul. We ignore the platform of Ron Paul to our peril & ultimate demise. It is not so much Ron Paul-it is his message!! Ron is just the only one left with the message of return the US back to the Constitution, quit meddling in foreign affairs, shrink the gov. by getting rid of the none Constitutional 'burroacracy', return State's rights, print legal US money, get the privately owned 'Fed' out of the US along with the Gestapo IRS...
SamFox
6-10-2008
2008-06-10 13:32
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-----KAREN JOHNSON FOR GOVERNOR-----
06-09-2008
2008-06-10 10:32
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After about 45 seconds of this video all I could say was "fuuuuuuuuck." Great post!
06-04-2008
2008-06-10 09:27
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I thank the gentleman for his concession that he was proven wrong since, like the Intelligent Deception ... er ... Design movement and the pseudoscience behind it, he has decided instead to misrepresent my arguments and still decides to imply (though not directly say) that (as per Immanuel Kant whos writings are grounded in Platonism) that no one can know anything about anything and that there is a supernatural element to the universe beyond our understanding.
Fortunately, Plato's student (Aristotle) came along and debunked his teacher. I alo hope that the gentleman is sure about his assertions because (accoridng to his logic) he can't really know anything about what he is talking about too.
I would also refer the gentleman to another part of Judge Jones's decision which ID proponents have seen it fit not to appeal and would subject Jones's appeal to a kind of peer review by an appellate court. In this quote, Jones points out the double standard of the ID movement and also what the gentleman is taking about in his posts:
"The theory or 'view' of evolution, which has been discredited by the District in the student's eyes, is contrasted with an alternative 'explanation,' as opposed to a 'theory,' that can be offered without qualification or cautionary note. The alternative 'explanation' thus receives markedly different treatment from evolutionary 'theory.'"
"In summary, the disclaimer singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource, and instructs students to forego scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."
"After a searching review of the record and applicable caselaw, we find that while ID arguments may be true, a proposition on which the Court takes no position, ID is not science. We find that ID fails on three different levels, any one of which is sufficient to preclude a determination that ID is science. They are: (1) ID violates the centuries-old ground rules of science by invoking and permitting supernatural causation; (2) the argument of irreducible complexity, central to ID, employs the same flawed and illogical contrived dualism that doomed creation science in the 1980's; and (3) ID's negative attacks on evolution have been refuted by the scientific community."
"It is notable that defense experts' own mission, which mirrors that of the IDM itself, is to change the ground rules of science to allow supernatural causation of the natural world, which the Supreme Court in Edwards and the court in McLean correctly recognized as an inherently religious concept."
"... lead defense expert Professor Behe admitted that his broadened definition of science, which encompasses ID, would also embrace astrology."
"ID is at bottom premised upon a false dichotomy, namely, that to the extent evolutionary theory is discredited, ID is confirmed."
"However, we believe that arguments against evolution are not arguments for design. Expert testimony revealed that just because scientists cannot explain today how biological systems evolved does not mean that they cannot, and will not, be able to explain them tomorrow. As Dr. Padian aptly noted, 'absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.'"
As far as his support of allowing strengths and weaknesses, schools are institutions of learning, not those for presenting alternate views. There are debate and philosophy classes people can take to discuss these issues. Not presenting pseudoscientific claims.
Furthermore, I would refer the gentleman to the book "God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Dr. Victor Stenger in which Dr. Stenger handily points out how science shows that God (or any other phenomenon) does not exist.
Unlike the gentleman trying to debate/rebutt the facts about this issue, my atheism and assertions about intelligent design is a recognition of reality as it is and he will never prove me wrong.
Until he does, he is mired in empiricism.
2008-06-09 21:42
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I earnestly hope that Charles's absence from the airwaves is very brief. He is an authentic hero and an indispensable defender of principle in a medium badly overrun by shills, sycophants, and stooges.
6-8-2008
2008-06-09 17:27
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I like it I will try to send a copy to mayor Bloombug
6-9-2008
2008-06-09 17:06
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Dr. Paul is at it again. Coming out with common sense & asking the right questions. Who does he think he is, a Patriot?
:-)
06092008
2008-06-09 12:02
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I spent two hours on Friday and almost three hours Sunday with Blair, and I am behind him 100%! I am also a member of Libertarians for Justice and I challenge ANYONE who thinks Blair is a 'nut case' to GO TALK WITH HIM. Don't take second hand information - find out what's going on yourself! THEN if you want to badmouth him, it's every bit as much your right as his! He's easy to find at 5353 N. 16th Street from 6 a.m. to 6:30 p.m.
And if you support him (or just the idea he is taking ACTION for what he believes in) GO TELL HIM THAT! It is important at this stage (day 15!) that he keep his spirits up, and every visitor does just that.
And if you are 'distance' activist, SEND MCCAIN A COMMUNICATION! Send a letter - make a phone call - send a fax - but BE HEARD! Hammer the 'lamestream media' to cover this story!
Blairs time grows short.
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2008-06-09 07:13
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THE LAST PARADE
by Carl V. "Sam" Lamb Page 296 (ref: 1951)
James Fletcher Baxter
"Sam" and I had a lot in common. We both resisted evil. After I
got out of the hospital, Big Jim Causey told of driving along
in his police cruiser and hitting a black man in his head
with his pistol. He thought it was funny how the guy sprawled
into the street. When he made this comment we were in a card
game. I didn't say anything, but then he said he was going to
kick the ____ out of Joe Goggins and I had heard enough.
I said, "If you're going to try that, you'll have to go through
me to get to him. I'm willing to give my life for a country
that values each individual. If that isn't true, I don't want
to fight for that country - but, it is true, so I'm not going
to let you rob me of the very good reason I may lose my life
tomorrow or next week. If you attack him, you attack me. I
may lose, but I guarantee I will make it very expensive for
you to get to him. Let me know what you decide."
He got up from our card game and said, "I'll have to think
about it."
I said, "Let me know. I'll be here."
He came back a little later and said, "You're right. I was
wrong." I thanked him for his manliness.
Joe Goggins came to me later and thanked me. He had wet eyes.
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5/20/08 JFB
Shortly after the above event, Jim Causey was called home for family
member medical problems. On his way back to the States, he passed
through a Naval medical facility. While there, he ran into my brother,
Sgt. Howard "Barney" Baxter, 5th Marines, who had just been sent
stateside for his Chosen Reservoir frost-bitten feet.
Causey told my brother what had happened and said "how much it
had changed his life." He said Joe and I had forgiven him and he
would "never go back to the old collective point of view." He was
really joyful because he was honestly able to forgive himself! He
became a more manly man - a good Marine - with honor.
I'm pleased the Rutgers women accepted Imus' apology. They, and
others, need to forgive. We all need to grow. Good examples are
always in short supply. God bless my Country and its Individuals.
vincit veritas
Jim Baxter
Sgt. USMC
WWII and Korean War
5th Grade Teacher - 30 wonderful years! '57- '87
semper fidelis
a follower of The Lion of Judah
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
INDIVIDUAL VALUE - Gift of Y'shua JESUS
by James Fletcher Baxter
The Old World method of measuring human value was,
and still is, by the group. Whether tribe, clan,
city-state, color, ethnic, or gender, the Old
World, ancient and modern, measures by the plural
unit. Individuals had and have no value of them-
selves but only as they were and are part of a
collective.
When Y'shua Jesus died on the cross, the veil of
the Temple at the Holy of Holies parted from the
top down. The individual believer in the congrega-
tion had, for the first time, a face-to-face, one-
on-one relation with his Creator. The Creator,
Himself, had validated each individual for the
first time.
Thus, the Individual became the corner-stone
for later human value measuring systems:
socio-political, philosophical, religious, educa-
tional, economic, etc., henceforth and forever.
Western Civilization, America, English Law, civil
Rights, the 'democratic' process, etc., all sprang
from that single event. (Greco-Roman 'democracies'
were 95% slave throughout their entire histories.)
Biblical principles are still today the foundation
under Western Civilization and the American way of
life.
Many social systems attempt to borrow ideas of
"democracy" without the basic premise in The Indi-
vidual. Such a system is only superficially and
temporarily 'democratic.' The cornerstone of the
democratic process is The Individual and the
cornerstone of the value of The Individual is
Y'shua Jesus! It is not possible to have one with-
out the other. There is only One Source - there is
no other.
It is additionally interesting to note that all
value measuring systems are based on the single
definitive unit of the system. Ex: Number, Time,
Distance, Weight, Heat, Money, Angle, Volume, etc.
Only humanism makes the abusive error of measuring
human value by the plural unit and attempts to
build social structures, relations, and institu-
tions thereon. Such man-made systems can only be
abusive and oppressive because in reality there
are only individual persons. Groups or collectives
are merely convenient verbalizations about indi-
viduals. They are not reality.
I have yet to see a 'group.' All I have ever seen
are individuals. Have you ever seen a group - or is
it a verbal convenience? Reality is only in the
individual person. And, such a validation never
derived from a human source without the initiative
of the Creator. (The French Rationalists of the
18th Century favored the fruit - but rejected the
branch, tree, and root.)
Today, wherever Y'shua Jesus is rejected, the
group or collective is still the basic way of
measuring human value - and human non-value.
We thank the Lord God for revealing His validation
of each individual person. We thank Him for creat-
ing each person uniquely, in His image, and call-
ing each one to a courageous ascension by Y'shua
Jesus, who said, "I AM the Way..."
Praise the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and
His Son of Man, Y'shua Jesus.
Reference: Exodus 25:30,40 Hebrews 9 Matthew 27:51
Mark 15:38 Luke 23:45 KJV
vincit veritas
Jim Baxter
a follower of The Lion of Judah
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05-28-2008
2008-06-09 02:09
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I guess he dosn`t have the time,knowing that he is trying to do all he can for American,and,that takes time.
6-8-2008
2008-06-09 01:53
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Well it's about damn time!
http://beararms.meetup.com/97/
06-08-2008
2008-06-08 22:06
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Excellent program today, we were happy to hear it. One hour is HARDLY enough time for you to be on the air. You were just getting going and bam the show was over!
06-08-2008
2008-06-08 22:04
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This is an excellent article, Ernie. You very astutely portray the state of the R3VOLUTION. Let's hope Dr. Paul heeds your words.
I consider myself to be a dedicated grassroots RON PAUL R3volutionary and I work tirelessly to spread HOPE FOR AMERICA.
As Ron Paul wrote:
"Each of us should choose which course of action we must take: education, conventional political action or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes, but let it not be said that we did nothing"
06-04-2008
2008-06-08 11:34
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Mr. Renzulli did not repair the defects in his original article, but rather he compounded them.
(1) He wrote: "Its obvious from this individual's comments that by making this comment about my statement know (sic) nothing about the scientific process itself."
Reply: My post scarcely touched on "the scientific process itself." Therefore, nothing about my knowledge is "obvious" and Mr. Renzulli has no basis to claim an absolute, i.e. that I "know nothing."
(2) He wrote: "If he or she did, they (sic) would realize that each and every scientific theory is based on facts and evidence and subject to rigorous review by scientists themselves."
Reply: Mr. Renzulli claims to know with certainty about "each and every scientific theory" and what each is based upon and what review is applied to it. More absolute claims with no evident basis to make them.
(3) He wrote: "The best way to see how evil and deceptive the ID movement is ...to read the decision of the federal judge in Pennsylvania who found ID to be unconstitutional."
Reply: Mr. Renzulli relies upon the writings of a federal judge in a single case to decide the merits of matters of what constitutes science, and whether it is legitimate to question the theory of evolution (or presumably any other scientific theory).
Note first that Judge Jones' lengthy opinion was extracted almost entirely from briefs written by the party opposed to Prof. Behe's position, and thus it was not a balanced scientific inquiry but rather a partisan argument.
Note second that Prof. Behe did not retreat from his irreducible complexity position -- just read his latest book, "The Edge of Evolution," published after Judge Jones's non-"peer reviewed" opinion.
Note third that Judge Jones was not called upon to decide what was "evil," yet Mr. Renzulli relies upon a snippet from Jones' judicial opinion as support for Renzulli's universal moral condemnation of ID.
(4) He wrote: "As to ID supporters refusing to subject their findings to peer review, there is ample documentation of this at Wikipedia's articles on un-intelligent design."
Reply: Mr. Renzulli supplies no reason to trust that Wikipedia articles have sources with total knowledge of all ID supporters's articles and whether they have been subject to peer review. In fact, it was widely reported last year how Wikipedia articles are the product of private individuals who harbor varying degrees of knowledge and malice. As Wikipedia is far from a "peer reviewed" journal of any sort, reliance upon Wikipedia for absolute omniscient statements about anything seems foolhardy.
(5) He wrote: "As to my absolute assertions, you better believe I will since what you seem to imply is a kind of Kantian or Platonic idea that people cannot know reality and can make it up as they go along. That no one can know anything about anything."
Reply: My post never suggested people cannot know reality, etc. My post suggested Mr. Renzulli does not show any basis for his making the absolute omniscient statements that comprise the bulk of his polemic.
(6) He wrote: "Just like I know there is no God, I do not THINK ID is false I KNOW it is since evolution relies not only on history but also facts as obtained by scientists over time."
Reply: Mr. Renzulli asserts more knowledge of absolutes without showing a basis for any of them. Proving the non-existence of a Creator (e.g. God), by the way, is a feat no human has yet achieved (to my knowledge).
As for relying upon the whole category dubbed "scientists" as the apparent priesthood he trusts, one needs only to recall the multitude of errors in "science," not only on the subject of evolution (the Piltdown Man hoax being just one), but also on using mercury to cure the flu, bleeding to cure almost anything, using x-rays to cure acne, and formulating and prescribing Thalidomide (being just one of many worthless/dangerous drugs), and applying the prefrontal lobotomy with an "ice pick" tool as a psychiatric treatment, and believing in the "steady-state" model of the universe (as they did before the Big Bang theory arose).
As many libertarians know, the anti-gun lobby routinely uses "peer-reviewed scientific studies" as grounds for restricting or eliminating the private right to keep and bear arms. The anti-gun lobby trots out "scientists" and their "journal articles" as proof positive -- yes, like Mr. Renzulli they claim to KNOW -- that guns are too dangerous to civilians and should be banned. On Mr. Renzulli's faith in "scientists," there should remain no further question: guns should be banned. Is that Mr. Renzulli's position? If not, then let's drop the bowing to the priesthood of "scientists" and instead open our minds to arguments on both sides of any question ... including the question of origins of life.
[For reference, I'm male.]
6-7-2008
2008-06-07 15:55
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"In deciding to "suspend" her campaign, Cli"nton kept some options open. She retains her delegates to the nominating convention and she can continue to raise money. It also means she could reopen her campaign if circumstances change before the Denver convention. But she gave no indication that was her intention."
I'm still not convinced that The Clintons are out of the hunt for the White House.
Obama needs Hillary as his running mate as much as JFK needed a bullet.
06-07-2008
2008-06-07 11:10
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Mr. Hodges; As a writer you should know how to avoid sweeping and all inclusive generalizations, which one exception can invalidate.
There are a few, very few to be sure, but there are some patriots in Congress, such as Ron Paul & his few congressional friends.
Such notable exceptions should be lauded, not ignored; they could be used to illustrate their principles vs. the majority views of the House & the Senate.
It is good that the incumbent Dr. Paul was returned to his House seat. So defeating most incumbents is better than defeating all incumbents? True or false?
06/06/2008
2008-06-07 04:59
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So what?
These people lie right in Americas face.What does America do about it....NOTHING!!
Well! I can`t really say "NOTHING",the Americans do talk...ALLOT.
These "Candidates" are ABOVE THE LAW...WHY? because Americans do not have the nerve to stop them.
It will be too late when they toss the last shovel of dirt on you...and that time ain`t far away.
Americans can`t even stop the MSM from Bending Over for "Rupert Murdoch".
"Home of the Brave"...in your dreams.
Sorry! I would stay longer to talk about the taking over of your country,but!! I must watch "American Idol"....I do have priorities.
6-5-2008
2008-06-06 17:51
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I think Rick Kaufman is a communist scumbag.
He sure is not an American.Alot of good Americans died fighting under that flag.
6-5-2008
2008-06-06 17:45
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Way to go its about time.Semper Fi
6-5-2008
2008-06-06 16:27
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"... the Confederate flag is a symbol of hatred, bigotry and racism," said Rick Kaufman, the Executive Director of Community Relations at Bloomington Kennedy High School.
How many Americans died under that flag? This is what is pollutes our government schools. This filth and "Climate Change" lies.